I loved Reddit for what it is, but nothing made me back out of a post faster than seeing the top 3 parent threads as a regurgitation of the same inside jokes, pun-chains, and so on.

  • zkxs@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    2 years ago

    you have my updoot

    I jest. Ultimately without some sort of mechanic that disincentivizes noisy, low-effort joke comments there’s not going to be some sort of magical cultural shift. I’m just arriving, but from what I’m seeing Lemmy doesn’t have any sort of design that will skew comments towards actual discussion and away from jokes/noise in any meaningful way.

    • kakes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 years ago

      The way it is right now, we don’t have total “karma”, which I imagine helps to at least suppress the purely karma-farming spam. That said, there’s no real reason to think it won’t be added here eventually.

      • Sens@feddit.ukEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I hope it doesn’t, better without karma, it shouldn’t be competitive really

        • Chais@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Never really got the point of Karma to begin with. All it really does is measure how well you match the tone of any particular echo chamber.

          • AnonTwo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 years ago

            If I recall, a minimum karma was used by some mod bots as a gatekeep of sorts on more official subreddits. But even then I don’t think it was more than to deter very new accounts.

            • zurohki@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
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              2 years ago

              Deterring very new accounts is still a useful thing to do.

              A lot of posts on my country’s COVID sub were removed by the bot with an account too new message, and it was only set to about one week. It doesn’t really slow down new users but it cuts off a lot of spam bots.

    • win95@lemmy.fmhy.mlOPEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, I was thinking of having some sort of feature that pre-builds thread topics in a post (humor, discussion, cross-searching) where users can put there comments in depending on what it is they’re going for.

      • zkxs@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I’m also eyeballing Tildes as a Reddit alternative, and their dev has an interesting approach to increasing signal-to-noise ratio. They don’t have downvotes, but they have labels that affect how comments are sorted, with the joke and noise labels moving comments down in the sort by a pretty significant amount.

        • Sens@feddit.ukEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Tildes developer has openly said they don’t intend for it be a replacement for reddit, and that kinda is what makes me come here instead.

          If they aren’t open to the idea, it will never happen.

          Not saying they should open the floodgates either, it’s mainly that the use cases and end goal for Tildes vs Lemmy are completely different

        • TheTimeKnife@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          That sounds like it could work pretty well, you could even just add it on to other comment sort styles. You don’t need to necessarily remove downvotes if you really want them in specific instances.

    • Dialectic Cake@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Agreed. I think for now it’s up to each community owner to set the expectations for their community and for the mods to enforce it. And so like Twitter…the quality of your feed will be dictated by whom you follow or in Lemmy’s case which communities you join.

    • GhostCowboy76@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      I am still learning Lemmy, but I agree with you from what I am seeing. There is no “karma farming” here right? So the motivation is mostly people who want to engage?

      • zkxs@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        2 years ago

        There’s no total karma for a user yet, yes. So the perverse incentive to make number go up at all costs isn’t quite as wild as it is in Reddit.

        As I wander around Lemmy more I’m also noticing that there’s a lot of opportunity for instances to have their own subcultures, which goes against the “It doesn’t matter which Lemmy instance you use” advice I’ve seen in a couple places. It definitely seems prudent to choose an instance that has an admin team and/or a theme you like, because instance-local content is going to be the easiest to find. The instance I chose is decently small and chill, but I’ve seen some other instances with a big focus on memes. To each their own!

        • GhostCowboy76@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 years ago

          I agree with you to an extent, but I have noticed on my instance it is heavily populated with outside instances so hopefully as this grows that subculture part will not be as much of a concern and more a fun “extra bonus” if you will of your favored instance and we can still unite under our favorite “common communities."

      • orsetto@beehaw.orgEnglish
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        2 years ago

        But you could filter out comments containing only “this” or variations with exclamations points and such

  • Veritrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Lemmy reminds me of old school BBS where actual discussion happened. I know it’s been a shift for me where I actually have to think about a response and hold a discussion instead of just following the patterns. Not that I don’t appreciate rote comments, it’s nice to expect a joke and have that delivered on. Not every thread though.

    • RockyBass@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Unfortunately it’s just something I think we’re going to have to deal with no matter where you go. Even forums with higher quality users still have lame jokes and puns thrown around.

  • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Don’t worry! We’ll develop our own new inside jokes to repeat and nauseum!

    EDIT: I realized, 4 hours later, than auto-correct had changed “ad” to “and”. I’m leaving it as it makes this comment even more obnoxious.

  • ComputerSagtNein@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Idk, I love comment chains like that. The funny comments, references or comment interactions are often the funniest thing about a post.

  • bizzwell@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    For me, that was part of the charm.

    I could still find the information I needed when it was a serious query, and I could still find sound and sensitive viewpoints on many topics. But, opening a horrible post just to see a horribly distasteful comment as the first response just kept reminding me not to take life so seriously.

    • petrescatraian@libranet.de
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      2 years ago

      @bizzwell some subreddits did have some dedicated flairs which required everyone to be serious (at the cost of being banned) - but this required the OP to deliberately think about posting the stuff under the right flair.

      Maybe this could be also easily enforced here by asking people to append [Serious Discussion] at the beginning of each relevant post, on the title or content?

      @win95

    • sotolf@beehaw.orgEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, and you can just fold the first comment in the chain and the whole chain disappears as well, so it’s not like it’s that much in the way either.

    • SterlingVapor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Same. I like it, but it belongs in more shitposty communities IMO. I like a small percentage of my feed to be shitposts, and when I dig into it it’s just people repeating twists on the same stupid jokes.

      Sometimes it’s actually clever, a lot of the time it’s just people wanting reassurance they belong.

      It’s annoying when it overflows and floods everywhere with the exact same joke (like Google en passant). In r/anarchychess they were constantly workshopping new jokes, because it definitely got old