I run a few groups, like @fediversenews@venera.social, mostly on Friendica. It’s okay, but Friendica resembles Facebook Groups more than Reddit. I also like the moderation options that Lemmy has.
Currently, I’m testing jerboa, which is an Android client for Lemmy. It’s in alpha, has a few hiccups, but it’s coming along nicely.
Personally, I hope the #RedditMigration spurs adoption of more Fediverse server software. And I hope Mastodon users continue to interact with Lemmy and Kbin.
All that said, as a mod of a Reddit community (r/Sizz) I somewhat regret giving Reddit all that content. They have nerve charging so much for API access!
Hopefully, we can build a better version of social media that focuses on protocols, not platforms.
It’s looking great! I joined just 2 days ago and the communities I subscribed to are already looking much more lively today. Thanks, Reddit blackout!
Also written in Rust, btw :)
How do you know something is developed with Rust?
Don’t worry, the devs will tell you.
I’ve also found this to be true with Julia devs
Source: am Julia dev
Check the GitHub! It’s linked at the bottom of the web page (“Code”)
Weirdly enough the fact that it’s written in rust is why I am using it instead of kbin (PHP)
PHP!? They’re writing the shiny new thing in the joke language from r/ProgrammerHumor?
Exactly right?
To the average Redditor I guess its fine, but to me its unacceptable haha.
Repo link: https://github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin
Welp, I guess I chose right after all.
There is:
- The right choice
- The other choice (PHP)
- The wrong choice (PHP)
What makes rust so special?
Rust is a very good language but is relatively new on the scene so it has to compete against other languages that fit the same niche(primarily C++) that have been around a lot longer.
Rust has been very popular for hobby projects for a while but it’s still pretty rare to see it for larger projects, and you still almost never see it for enterprise projects. So it’s cool seeing an app that uses it blow up.
There’s a bit of a groundswell, where I’ve seen young devs try to push an organisation that they’re working in towards Rust. This is usually a terrible mistake because it means you’ll be forcing all the other devs to maintain your Rust code.
While I lean more towards Go, I have found that any Rust project that actually reaches maturity tends to be amazingly well built.
It might be a side-effect of Rustaceans on average being good programmers, or maybe the language itself just lends itself to robust, high performance software. Who knows.
God damn! Okay now I’m fully behind it
Fast because it’s pointer-based like C, but better because it’s memory safe, which means it won’t crash, leak or mysteriously overwrite it’s own data constantly.
I’d say that it’s fast because it’s compiled to machine code and doesn’t use garbage collection. But I see what you mean with “pointer-based”.
Is there anything with no garbage collection that doesn’t work with pointers? If the compiler is handling all the memory allocation for you it might as well just collect garbage, so I figured they were kind of synonymous.
Since we’re now going into details, Rust is neat because they figured out a way to keep track of the memory safety of pointers at compile time. That’s hard to do, which is why it’s a new language and not the old standard.
I haven’t been here much longer. It’s been really cool seeing all of the communities pop up as users flood in.
In general, it works pretty nice, but there are some limitations.
The biggest one for me is discoverability. The federation means that there is more fragmentation and it’s harder to find the right community for something.
For example, there are country/city communities for my country/city on multiple instances. And since it’s hard to find the “correct” one, it fragments out much harder than Reddit did. Combine that with generally lower attendance numbers and you get really tiny communities.
This is not aided by Jerboa, which doesn’t open internal links internally. So if someone posts a link to a community and I press it, it instead tries to open it with my email app.
Removed by mod
Used Reddit for 13 years, tried out Kbin and Lemmy yesterday and settled on Lemmy.
Long story short, I’m going back to Reddit.
There needs to be ONE site, Lemmy.com, that people goto. This entire thing about having .whateveryouwant is VERY off putting. Most internet users have been trained to be extremely wary of odd or unusual things, so having anything besides .com/.net/.org will turn away a huge portion of users.
I initially setup an account on Lemmy.world, then realized that I couldn’t migrate it to another server and that when I deleted that account on that server all my comments were deleted.
Deciphering the distributed nature of it took me, a relatively tech-friendly person, almost the entire day and several ‘What the fuck?’ posts. I now understand it more. There are some very low-level guides that have been haphazardly put together, but there absolutely needs to be a MUCH smoother guide/explanation to this whole thing. That learning process will turn people away for sure.
BECAUSE I understand it more now, I’m left feeling VERY uncomfortable about my data security. If this is going to become a mainstream thing, as it reaches and before it gets to that critical mass of users, there’s going to be SO. MANY. SECURITY ISSUES. There’s no 2fa at all, hacking and user-account hacking is just going to run rampant, and I’m left wondering ‘Where is my username and password actually stored?’. The answer, sadly, is wherever the dude who’s running the instance/server is. In the ‘Fediverse’ your server instance might be hosted in a US or EU data center with proper digital and physical security, or it could be Joe Blows basement in Iowa running off a NAS. The easy-to-see future here is that Lemmy will fail to attract a critical mass of people because they’ll initially arrive, after a few months their instances will just cease to exist/get shut down/the hosts will decide its no longer a fun hobby to do.
With a large corporation, they have the staff and resources to secure and maintain the servers physically and digitally, and keep staff up-to-date on current infosec threats and get out in front of them. Beyond that, if there IS a breach, they have the ability to recognize it, understand the legalities and requirements of reporting it, and can be held accountable by regulatory bodies. Joe doesn’t have the resources to really maintain and keep a server running, nor the knowledge of his responsibilities for keeping the data safe digitally or physically.
On top of that, if Joe’s basement loses power/gets hacked/Joe decides he’s moving to San Fransisco and can’t bring his NAS with him and the server goes down, and that’s where my instance is hosted well there goes my entire account/comments/data.
Finding and subbing to communities is painfully difficult. It should be one-click, but somewhere I need to goto an external list, find what I want, and then copy/paste the URL into the search… and then 50% of the time, it doesn’t work. This is an understandable growing pain and can likely be fixed by UI/UX upgrades, but for now it’s a definite turn-off.
There simply is no content. I’m not a creator, I want content aggregated for me, and I’ve gotten used to having a single place to get it from that floods me with thousands of different articles/memes/posts/etc every minute. Until the user base arrives in one single place and starts generating content, there’s no reason for most people like me to be there as by far the larger number of users never create anything at all and only exist to consume the content generated.
A year ago, I viewed the Fediverse as an unnecessary, complicated framework created by a handful of well-intentioned individuals as a solution to a problem that wasn’t really there.
Today, I view it as a necessity.
This past year has been a hard lesson for me to stop placing trust in massive, centralized web services like Twitter and Reddit and to start federating more of my online activity. There’s going to be growing pains, but Lemmy has been pretty good so far and it’s definitely going to be worth it in the end.
Yep, same. For that reason I never really managed to get into mastodon, tried it for a bit and found the signup system too convoluted, then dropped it altogether. Though granted, I also never used Twitter, never understood why people liked it (and still don’t), so I tried mastodon out of curiosity, not actually looking for something.
With Lemmy it’s all different. I feel like I need to leave reddit and find a new community, so there’s an inherent desire to like it, which makes the adaptation way easier.
Yeah, I also made a Mastodon account during that big Twitter exodus a few months back, and admittedly haven’t used it that much either for the same reasons. I just never really have that many unprompted/creative things to say, which is kinda the primary use case for the Twitter/Mastodon genre of social media.
Reddit/Lemmy on the other hand is way more about the discussion, which is both way more interesting to consume as media and also way easier for me to get involved in.
The platform is fine and being able to subscribe across Lemmy instances is nice (i.e. I’m not even on Beehaw but here I am anyway) - it just needs more users and content.
The main issue is going to be getting that critical mass of users, especially on a platform that isn’t quite as straightforward as a centralized one. Trying to explain how Lemmy works to my wife just left her confused and wondering what the point was. Getting people like her to make the jump to a federated platform is going to take time, effort, and - most importantly - content.
I tried the fediverse with Mastodon to replace Twitter, but it didn’t work out. On Twitter, I was exclusively following accounts of personalities/organizations. As these accounts did not make the switch from Twitter to Mastodon, there was little use.
I feel like the fediverse works way better with content aggregation. I don’t really care who specifically is on Lemmy, as long as there is content and discussion. So far it’s been really nice.
It’s interesting but I still think the federated universe still has too many quirks to be understandable by most people. To be honest, I haven’t bothered documenting myself so I might say stupid things but I can’t understand why identity is tied to a server, it seems like a terrible design mistake when it’s obviously the first thing i’d want to decentralise. In short, I’m me, it shouldn’t matter that I’m on beehaw, lemmy or some random mastodon or kbin server. Huge mistake imho.
Then the content obviously needs a lot more contributors but many of the good reddit contributors where also mostly tech illiterate and I’m still worried that the high complexity to enter the fediverse will put off many people and keep it a fun, but somewhat boring, little niche.
I really like it, but I’m concerned for rough times ahead.
Running instances is hard, thankless but necessary work. A for-profit company like Reddit can afford to pay engineers to do it. A lot of open-source / free software things survive because people are generous and donate their time, creativity, expertise and often even money to keeping them running. But when it’s a hobby not a job, it gets to a point where people often have to think of their own sanity and step away.
The fediverse design seems well suited to handle that without major disruption, but there will definitely be some disruption.
I’m also hoping that people are tolerant of design quirks. Design by committee is often seen as one of the worst ways to do things, and FOSS is nothing but committees. Reddit’s design obviously influenced Lemmy (as Slashdot influenced Reddit, and so-on). But, while I wasn’t a fan of the new Reddit design, at least it was a unified view. I’m incredibly impressed at how smooth Lemmy has been so far, but again, I expect it’s just a matter of time before there are some controversial choices in what new features to add, how to expose them, what defaults to choose, and so on. I hope people are tolerant of the churn that that might cause.
Basically, I just really hope that whatever controversies and rough periods are ahead, that the communities I care about choose to weather the storm and stick around. If we can survive that, social media that isn’t owned by any company, and that isn’t part of the “surveillance capitalism” world is very promising.
I’m loving it. It’s like the good old days of smaller forums, except they all link together to become a reddit-like conglomerate, best of both worlds.
I dislike the idea of multiple communities for the same topic spread across multiple instances. Sure, you can subscribe to multiple communities, but that’s just extra overhead. I’m hopeful reddit backs down after the protest (as unlikely as it may be), but either way I will probably go back to using it regardless. Social media is about content, and unless there is a dramatic shift away from reddit being the content hub that it currently is, nothing else will be as useful.
@agreenbhm Why it it worse to have multiple communities for the same topic spread across multiple instances vs having multiple communities for the same topic spread across multiple subreddits?
Seems like better redundancy and if they’re all in the same app speaking the same protocols then similar functionally.
Even if there was only one subreddit why would it be better to have one instead of a long tail of many?
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
This is the issue tracker you’re looking for!
I actually see this as a strength/advantage. There is no single point that can be controlled. All the more harder for the greedy to rule over the entire fediverse.
There is a good chance users will flock to the biggest one and we won’t have the doubling issue.
Yes, that probably right. But it also goes against one of the supposed benefits of the Fediverse. Which makes the whole distributed system thing a bit pointless.
It does not go against the benefits at all.
The fact that a user from any instance can join a community on any other instance is exactly what federation is all about!
I just don’t see how this actually benefits the average user compared to a centralized system. To me it’s a bit like trying to apply Blockchain technology to everything regardless of how appropriate it may be. I’m sure plenty here disagree with me and that’s fine.
Most centralized systems have a ton of redundancy built in as well. Huge web platforms especially have massive amounts of redundancy - some content is replicated hundreds of times and spread around the globe to ensure that users everywhere will have fast response times.
So in fact, the real difference between a centralized platform and something like Lemmy comes down to whether or not here is a single corporate entity who has full contol over the course of the platform or not.
You may be interested to hear that the concept of binding together multiple communities is currently under official consideration (Github #818).
There’s also a feature under consideration for post tagging (Github #317). Something like that would allow for browsing relevant posts originating from any combination of independent communities.
so far it’s really nice, it’s what I liked in reddit and before that forums, without being what reddit became.
the fediverse is hard though, but it kinda makes sense. I’ll see if I get more used to it
I’m very impressed. It just needs more 3rd party apps!
by the end of the month it could have more than reddit and twitter together.
3rd party apps and hide on read
There are already many! The problem is they lack polish, to varying degrees.
EDIT: Damn, Thunder wasn’t showing me my comment!
https://github.com/derivator/tafkars/tree/main/tafkars-lemmy
This is what we need, that’ll fix that completely!
The community, particularly Beehaw, is fantastic! I love it.
Lemmy itself needs a lot of work. It’s incredibly far behind, but my expectations are staying measured and I’m excited to see how it develops. Right now it’s not a case of me enjoying the platform itself, but more so ‘putting up’ with the limitations of the platform to access the nice community.
Jerboa is the mobile client I’m using currently, and it’s off to a good start but needs a lot of fixes to be fully usable. Such as sorting comments and searching. The ability to easily click a button to jump to the next comment thread is my most missed feature as well from clients such as Boost for Reddit.
Additionally, I still have issues signing into the mobile website. I can sign in through Jerboa or the Beehaw website on desktop, but not on mobile (or at least not always). So I’m often navigating content on the mobile website, then using Jerboa to comment on it. Most won’t deal with these issues, but I’m still holding out to see what comes from it all.
A couple of last side notes, it’s really annoying to need to click on the title, and not being able to click on the text of a post to navigate (mobile site) - and visually it needs some improvements to draw more people in. That last part seems minor, and for a large part of the existing community, myself included, it truly is minor - but for widespread adoption it needs a big revamp.
Uncomfortable. There are two or three users in the instances, and all are silent. “Federalization” is dumb, for the chuckleheads of decentralization. The app and website are crude. Settings are not saved, blocked content hangs in the feed.
