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The big issue for me is the content to ad ratio is completely out of whack.
If you serve me Ads that lead to scams and malicious websites, you don’t reserve my ad revenue.
Honestly, I pay for YouTube Premium because I find value in it. The price is reasonable for where I live, and it’s my main source of entertainment. I don’t like watching movies/TV shows that much so YouTube is my jam. So the convenience of being able to download videos, ad-free viewing, picture-in-picture, background playback etc. is totally worth it for me. I know if I dig hard enough and use an Android phone/tablet I can get those features without having to pay, but I don’t like Android and again, the features are worth the small price.
For me, YouTube Premium and Spotify broke piracy because they’re more convenient than pirating.
Also a premium subscriber, and I it’s definitely worth it to me (especially since it comes with music and I’ve got the grandfathered price)
The biggest problem I have with it isn’t even a problem with premium. It’s that it doesn’t deal with sponsor spots in videos.
Same for me. Premium is worth it for the ease of use (especially because I watch a lot of YT on my AppleTV). I don’t want to have to worry about making sure all these ad blockers are set up right, and I also am ok with paying since I believe creators get something from that, right?
When I visit a friend and they pull up YT only for it to have three ads or whatever, I die inside. How do those people live?
I just stood up a selfhosted Invidious instance the other day, and I replaced YouTube ReVanced with Clipious (an Invidious client for Android) on my phone. No ads, SponsorBlock built-in, no need for a YouTube/Google account to create subscriptions, playlists, etc. And it’s highly performant since I run it behind a reverse proxy with some custom caching configuration for things like thumbnail images, static assets, etc.
Clipious can also be installed on an Android TV (has an actual Android TV interface). I’m going to end up installing it on mine, but I’m also using SmartTubeNext at the moment, which does require a YouTube/Google account for subscriptions, playlists, etc, but does have no ads, built-in SponsorBlock, and a slew of other great features. I’ll be keeping both around, since I do sometimes like to cast to my TV, and SmartTubeNext allows for that (Clipious does not, at least at this time).
Unless YouTube somehow starts somehow dynamically splicing in ads as part of the actual video stream, there’s always going to be a way to block ads, unless they do something pretty elaborate. But that’s probably not worth the effort on their end to go that far, since the vast, vast majority of people won’t know what to do to get around that, nor will they probably care enough to try. But I think it’s clear that DNS blocking using services such as AdGuard Home, PiHole, etc, are going to become less effective over time.
undefined> ehind a reverse proxy with some custom caching configuration for things like thumbnail images, static assets, etc.
Really curious what those nginx settings are, Clipious on my phone only shows broken thumbnails from my invidious instance
I have all my Nginx files separated and using
include
statements for organization, so I can’t quickly and easily post an example, but a good place to start looking is at the various proxy_cache directives.
I hadn’t heard of Clipious before! What are some of its advantages over SmartTubeNext and ReVanced??
The main advantage to me is that I can work with Invidious as a backend, and whatever I configure there will reflect in Clipious as a client. So as I subscribe to new channels in Invidious, add or update playlists, etc, Clipious will reflect these changes accordingly. Advantages of selfhosting Invidious that indirectly benefit Clipious are of course built-in adblocking by virtue of how Invidious works, SponsorBlock support, and the ability to cache static assets, such as video thumbnails for faster load times, using a reverse proxy (Nginx is what I use). There’s a lot more we could dive into beyond this, such as no Google account requirement (for enhanced privacy).
One area where the SmartTubeNext and YouTube ReVanced combo has the advantage is the convenience of being able to cast from your handheld device to your TV. Clipious/Invidious has no casting ability. But I can totally live without that.
I pay for Premium (bc I watch mostly from the TV using a console or AppleTV) but this sucks. Especially because how annoying and long a bunch of these ads are now.
Try YT subscription from Argentina…😎
Honestly if I worked at YouTube and they asked me to implement this I’d quit.
Unpopular opinion: I like paying for YouTube Premium to get rid of ads and still make it possible for creators and YouTube to get paid and survive an keep offering me entertainment.
In addition you also get YouTube Music so no need to pay for Spotify. It might not have as good features but I listen to music specifically so I only search for what I want to listen to and don’t want any algorithms anyway.
This is very much their propaganda tactic, that by not watching ads you’re stealing from the poor content creators, when in reality they’re just chucking a few pennies to the people who actually made the videos. If you want to actually support the creators then donate to their patreon or whatever, but don’t pretend that watching ads or paying for premium is doing anything more than lining the pockets of investors.
I don’t have premium but I have stumbled on a number of content creators (I’m sure one of them was TheSpiffingBrit among others) explaining the audience how they get significantly more money from people watching them in a youtube premium.
Edit: all in all of course everything you do “lines the pocket of inverstors” in a capital society…
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I pay for nebula, which is significantly cheaper and has a lot of creators that I am interested in supporting, plus extra content from them.
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You can subscribe to the channels you are interested in and see just them in the library tab, but yeah I can see that hiding things from the videos tab would be nice.
Small question about Nebula, am I right in thinking that it’s mostly music-centered? Context, I barely use YouTube for music, but rather for documentaries and game stream edits.
It’s mostly edutainment type content.
I like YT Music better than Spotify because user uploads cover the gaps in Spotify’s catalog. Bootlegs, concert recordings, obscure game soundtracks, it has everything.
Agree on the gaps but I hate that YouTube music puts music videos in my mixes or only the videos are available in rare instances. Sometimes I’d be listening to a mix (bc I like discovering new stuff) and then I get a minute of random noises and dialogue from the beginning of a video. Granted, I haven’t looked heavily into disabling videos or anything
Yeah, that is admittedly a big drawback for YT
Yeah I think it’s a good option for a lot of people.
As a counterpoint, I recommend watching Louis Rossman’s take on why he recommends people pirate instead of paying for YouTube Premium. His general philosophy on things is that you should pay for things unless you’re getting an inferior service to the pirates. In this case of YouTube Premium, he considers it restrictive enough (won’t let him watch videos offline) that he cancelled his subscription and now recommends piracy.
But YouTube Premium lets you download and watch offline…
Did you watch the video? YouTube Premium lets you watch a video offline if you’re online. If you’ve been offline for 3 days, however, you cannot watch any videos offline, which makes the usage of the word “offline” a little strange.
My counterpoint to yours: YouTube Premium is not available in all countries.
Beyond that, I personally used YouTube Red for years until they killed Google Play Music. I was an avid user of GPM, had several playlists and radios tuned there, and when they announced the move to YT Music, I was hesitant but gave them until literally the last minute to add the features from GPM that didn’t exist on YTM, but they never did.
I cancelled my YouTube Red subscription the day that the GPM app on my phone said it wouldn’t work again, and on that day I swore I’d never pay YT another penny directly.
Same with me. I loved Google Play Music and was sad when they killed it. YouTube Music still isn’t as good. I ended up ripping a bunch of old CDs, setting up my own Plex server, and using Plexamp for music streaming instead.
Perhaps I should add that I hate ads with a passion and that I’m really thankful to YouTube that they offer opt out of ads.
Now we need a new video platform.
I wonder how? Unless ad-blocker extensions are currently leaking some piece of info indicating to the website that we’re using them?
Yep, got selected for this test and I thought my network went down.
Had to do nearly 30 mins of debugging until I realized it was youtube actively withholding JUST the video. Took some effort but managed to get them to send the videos again after resetting a bunch of things.
I refuse to view ads and will go to the ends of the earth to make that happen.
Paying is most certainly an option, but only when that becomes the ONLY option.
I’ve been using an adblocker since ads starting becoming more intrusive and the internet has progressed so much that it’s become generally unusable without one. I remember when a mobile ad popped up on my phone and it straight up startled me.
I would rather not watch Youtube again then be exposed to terrible ads. I accidentally went on Youtube on Chrome and one of the ads was a straight up scam. $7.54 Switch! Like maybe if they had humans vet ads like you used to do maybe I would have less of a problem with it.
It’s funny when your first sentence is taken literally. You would rather stop watching YouTube and then, be exposed to terrible ads.
it’s “than”, not “then”. To know which one to use, prononce it like if it rhymes with “ban” - instead of “hen” - in your head, you’ll know which one is correct
Lol I know exactly the company you’re talking about. I like their ads for $1 Lenovo headphones
While we are saying “fuck reddit”, let’s say “fuck you too YT”. Fucking malware machine.
laughs in SmartTube