Where my friends of DeSoto at?
Next on this old starship, we building a forum.
Also, where did the name friends of DeSoto come from? I’ve listened for years and feel like a missed a random reference.
It’s from the early days of Greatest Gen, and references Captain DeSoto of the USS Hood (NCC-1703). DeSoto and the Hood made several appearances in TNG, and Ben and Adam leaned into his chill vibes, theorizing that the Hood would be a great place to work.
It’s also an allusion to the phrase Friend of Dorothy, an older euphemism for LGBT people.
I think it was originally jokingly conceived as a sort of passphrase or shibboleth for fans of the pod to identify each other without revealing their embarrassing enthusiasm to outsiders, e.g.
Q: “Are you a friend of DeSoto?”
A: “Best boss I ever had!”
It’s from a neat Trek podcast called Greatest Generation, highly recommend checking it out!
I think it came about during the DS9 Era, don’t exactly recall though.
Best boss I ever had!
Time to create a GreatestGen/Trek community!
Oh man, we definitely need a Greatest Trek instance. Maybe a mod of speshial conshennce can make one for B&A to drop into.
r/greatestgen is still up and there’s a thread from 4 days ago from the FoD Mastodon admin about setting up an FoD Lemmy. I pointed that OP here but it wouldn’t be official Uxbridge-Shimoda social media unless its the Card Daddy as admin.
What’s more Star Trek than joining the federation?
@captainjaneway @Stoat doing it hung over on bootleg romulan ale
@captainjaneway @Stoat
🤫 Don’t tell that to the Star Wars fandom! The force is also strong in the fediverse.To put it another way, the Fediverse is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.
meh
I had my subscription show pending, as well, but it was working just fine. I was able to get it showing properly by unsubscribing (just clicking on the button showing it pending) and then re-subscribed and it showed me joined properly.
I’m replying to a mastodon post, from a separate lemmy instance federated with startrek.website.
I’m living in the future.
I’m replying to your post on a lemmy instance federated with startrek.website, from another lemmy instance federated with lemmy.world.
Things get mighty confusing, but fun in their own ways.
EDIT: Also didn’t realise that this was a Mastodon post, but that would explain why some of the comments have a bit of unusual formatting.
What is this, the Mycelium Network?!
no sir. this is the federation.
I thought it was a Wendy’s.
I thought we were the borg
No, that’s the Delta Quadrant.
No, this is Patrick.
Instructions unclear, starship stuck in wormhole.
DON’T PROVOKE THE BORG
“I learned it by watching you!” 😭
/r/risa wasn’t invited?
They’re here.
hey all! I see that /r/strangenewworlds is also going to remain in restricted mode indefinitely, would you perhaps reach out to the mods there, and see if they’d like to join the Federation? :-D
If memory serves, they were shutting down for everything except discussion threads. IDK if that plan changed or not.
yep, i think that was their plan… might as well extend the olive branch, though, and see if they’d like to join the Federation
This is the lovable Star Trek spirit! ❤️🖖
Great of the mods to unilaterally decide for tens of thousands of users to lock and make inaccessible years and years of conversation. I’m sorry your fefes are hurt, but this “we had to destroy the village to save it” is some third-grade tantrum throwing bullshit.
First time moving website?
I would rather see a permanent freeze instead of private. Yes it helps Reddit slightly more than private subs, but there is years of discussion that could be kept while still making it obsolete and limiting reddit’s income/users from it.
I prefer they stay private for now to direct users, and then once July 1 happens, they can re-open as restricted for a limited time.
There is also a currently active archive.org project trying to capture all of Reddit, and I would be extremely surprised if they weren’t also capturing both /r/DaystromInstitute and /r/StarTrek, at the bare minimum.
claims that others’ “fefes are hurt” and says this is “some third-grade tantrum throwing bullshit”
turns out their own “fefes are hurt” and they proceed to engage in “some third-grade tantrum throwing bullshit”
I mean, I’m not the one running around and breaking things, but ok.
You’ve just discovered the main problem with centralized platforms like Reddit, Discord, Twitter. The only thing stopping the mods from making a complete archive of the old platform is the Big Tech owners of Reddit. These corporate interests own all your posts, memes, and DMs, forever.
With federated platforms, the community leadership can easily backup, archive, or transfer everything whenever they like. That’s the power of ownership.
Not only that, but copies of everything now exist on every single instance that’s federated with startrek.website, so its potentially recoverable should something catastrophic happen.
And that’s fine. The mods, or whomever, have every right to go off and form another community, and the participants have every right to follow. The mods DON’T have the right to make the decision for me, restrict the content that I posted to a site they do not own, or otherwise interfere with my right to enjoy the archival content that they did not create. Hopefully the Reddit ownership will force the afflicted communities open sooner rather than later and let us each decide individually, rather than be subject to the whims of some babies that think an entity doesn’t have the right to manage it’s own tech.
The mods DON’T have the right to make the decision for me, restrict the content that I posted to a site they do not own, or otherwise interfere with my right to enjoy the archival content that they did not create.
Source?
Just like, my opinion, man. But to be fair I should rephrase - in the context of moderation they clearly have the right to keep content to community standards, and that may involve those actions, but beyond that, they have no right to act as the “owners” of that content, which is self-evident, as one of the complaints is that Reddit owns the content.
That probably came across more snarky than intended. It actually felt softer than “Where’d ya read that?”
Here’s the thing: Nowhere is it stated that you have the right to view content you posted in perpetuity, to say nothing about things posted by others. And mods have free reign to do whatever they want despite community wishes even if they rarely exercise that right.
Essentially, this whole situation has exposed a lot of realities with regard to users’ rights on corporate platforms that you’re in fine company in being aghast at.
Gmail could get the ax tomorrow. Will it? No … but it’s folly to expect it to continue forever because tomorrow’s covered. The internet was the starting point of “you’ll own nothing and love it” with your data. This is one of the results of the Faustian bargain.
That’s cool, and I get your perspective. Here’s mine - I understand why some people are upset and no longer wish to support Reddit. The “right” thing to do, IMHO, would have been to start another community, explain why, and give people the option of migrating - pin it at the top or something. If you want to be more forceful, lock the sub so that no new info can be posted. As it is now, a small group of people unilaterally took action to “punish” Reddit and in doing so assumed control over my (the universal my - not my specifically, although I’m obviously included) content. That makes the mods no better than the corporation they’re trying to protest, they’re just using my content to different ends.
Bottom line - each individual should have had the choice to boycott or not boycott.
No offense but they do have the right, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean they don’t have the right. Just like reddit admins have the right to open all the closed subs if they want.
Ah yes, because moving to a platform free from profiteering owners, an objective improvement to the community, is clearly just because fefes were hurt…
Sorry - the downvotes have made me realize that “we had to destroy the village to save it” isn’t third-grade bullshit, it’s kindergarten bullshit. But please, play on, those, like, 5 of you who decided that it was your call to dump years of posts into oblivion because the platform that supported your conversation for years decided they’d had enough of freeloading.
How do you not understand that reddit is a symbiotic relationship between users / moderators - who generate and moderate ALL of the content for the site - and the reddit workers and admins who host it? Without one the other can’t exist. Reddit is 100% freeloading off of users’ content just as much as users & moderators are “freeloading” off of the ability to access the content through the API.
Reddit ownership (and you) have apparently chosen to either forget that, or ignore it.
Oh cool. Glad that I found you here 😀
If any of the mods of those subreddits are here, can you reconsider permanently locking?
The communities on those subs took years to develop, and you’re going to lose a lot of quality posts and discussion, since most people won’t just move seamlessly to a new website. Beyond that, there are years of high quality posts that members of that community have made, which may not be utterly lost, but they will certainly be more inaccessible.
I’m pissed at the Reddit admins too, but I don’t enjoy being forced onto some new site.
I’m writing with the context of the Twitter takeover by Elon Musk. I tried migrating to Mastodon (which seems analogous to Reddit/Lemmy). While I enjoyed not being on a site dominated by a person who, in addition to similar API price hikes, is racist and transphobic, many of the communities I value on Twitter never migrated. The result was that Mastodon was never an adequate replacement for the Twitter networks I was in. While I appreciate not giving money to a person I hate, I’m not eager to repeat that experience, especially because it seems like Reddit’s breaches are more of a pure business decision, which I find somewhat palatable, even if I’m unhappy to be forced off the apps I previously used.
I definitely am not opposed to the existence of this website, and in time I imagine it may develop its own unique community that some people value more than Reddit. However, I enjoy having the option of both sites available.
Migrating the community to the fediverse safeguards it from ever needing to migrate again, due to the decentralized structure where nobody controls the content. As long as it’s on a corporately owned service, profit incentives will harm content or even force a migration eventually. I think it’s a bit selfish to push that inconvenience onto the future users when we have an excellent opportunity to do it now, for all Reddit communities, and be done with it forever.
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Part of the cost of having integrity in this case is needing to be patient. Reddit and Twitter didn’t build the communities you are lamenting overnight. It’s been two days for Reddit and less than a year for Twitter.
As for the content, nothing is stopping individuals from removing or exporting their comments. There are automated tools that will do this for you with very little effort. Reddit doesn’t own the content and neither do the mods.
FYI: Mastodon is also part of the Fediverse, so you may see content from there show up on Lemmy/Kbin, and vice versa.
As for the content, nothing is stopping individuals from removing or exporting their comments. There are automated tools that will do this for you with very little effort.
I’ve been thinking about this. Shouldn’t we be copying rising posts from Reddit to their respective communities on Lemmy? It would help bridge the content gap while the userbase is still growing, and it’s all public information.
It is a mixed bag. This can be useful in some cases, but it can also be very inorganic. There are tons of accounts on Mastodon which mirror content from Twitter. They might even be run by the Twitter user themselves, but if there is no interaction and the user doesn’t even check them, they just end up becoming noise.
I see where you are coming from, but personally I think we should just focus on building something new.
Not all of them, since that would be a lot of server load, especially for the more image-heavy content. Maybe only the big/official posts, but people would be cross-linking those anyway.
Especially since a new social media network also means that they would have to learn how to use it all over again. People are used to Reddit, whereas Lemmy doesn’t have the creature comforts, like keyboard shortcuts, and RES that someone might be used to.
That can be a pretty big obstacle.
more power to you!
Absolutely made up about this. Star Trek and the related subs were the only ones I used by the end of me being on Reddit.
Are there any browsable backups/archives of Daystrom? There’s a vast amount of content there which I’d hate to see lost.
It looks like they’re slowly copying over all the old posts of the week to the new /c/
If only for star trek purposes, I’m all in for this. More than enough.
will this community also censure people whom talk about the remote possibility that the new star trek series might not be very good
There’s literally a post in their front page about criticism with Disco S4 that’s incredibly constructive.
The issue was never about criticism. The issue was lazy, nonconstructive criticism.
Hard disagree on that. I was called a bigot for criticizing the plots and writing on Disco more than once, usually with a few grafs of explanation and canon reasons.
THANK YOU. Can’t stress this enough for the persecution fetish crowd: You are not being silenced because you don’t like new Star Trek. You are being silenced because you’re acting like a twat.
Keep in mind that posts removed by moderators are visible and documented on this and every federated instance of Lemmy. Please urge your fellow mods to be more professional going forward and improve their de-escalation skills. There is certainly unfair criticism, but some of that criticism has been well earned.
I’m sure that moderation is a difficult and mostly thankless (and probably pay-less) job, but there’s still a point at which being toxic undoes the positive contributions of a moderator. Please try to use this as an opportunity to build a better community and consider some self improvement as well.
There is no one among us that couldn’t benefit from personal reflection.
If you treat people with hostility they will likely react in kind.
These sentiments are engrained in Trek (new and old), it would be wonderful if we could consider those lessons in our daily lives.
Oh for sure, I’m not saying all mods are saints. Certainly some of them go too far in wanting everyone to fawn over everything and anything less is anathema. But by and large, what I saw repeatedly when I looked at the comment histories of those who complained loudest about being “censored” was an almost pathological tendency to want to poop on things, regardless of the context.
For example, they’d pop up in discussions of Picard season 3 just to say how much they hated how much Burnham cried in season 1 of Discovery. Or when a TNG discussion was happening, they’d jump in to say how bad they thought Picard season 2 was. And a mod would tell them to keep things topical, and they’d keep doing it, and they’d get banned. Inevitably they would then create alts to complain about “power-tripping mods sucking Paramount’s teat”. That in turn created a perception among those already dissatisfied with new Trek that voicing your criticism was a bannable offense. I never saw evidence that that was actually happening at anywhere near the scale the complainers claimed.
Now obviously that’s a generalization, but that was my perception of the “censorship” in r/startrek. There was plenty of criticism of episodes and seasons happening in comment sections, but it was the mods’ directive to keep it on topic and not just general griping.
I can definitely see getting fed up with dealing with the same arguments or statements all the time. It’s a tight-rope balance to keep a thread from devolving. A lot times an episode or a series will rub you the wrong way and you just don’t enjoy it the first time through. Some of my most enlightening conversations about Star Trek have started with either myself or a friend talking about how bad a certain episode or scene was, but as you talk through why you see it in a different light. Most of the time if I’m saying I didn’t like something in Trek it’s because I’m looking for someone to either confirm my interpretation or point out that I missed something earlier in the episode or in the series that made it make sense to be there. I didn’t dislike DS9 when it first aired, but I couldn’t really get into it. But once I was able to watch it on streaming in order and at my own pace, it quickly became my absolute favorite series. It was an issue with the airing schedule and the pacing didn’t work as well for broadcast TV. A lot of that is pretty well known now, but I didn’t realize it at the time. And if some aspects of a show actually don’t stand up to scrutiny, I think it’s good to have that available in a public forum for the (very slim) possibility that those fan reactions get taken into consideration for future productions. I have been hesitant to voice that kind of opinion based on the perception that it will not be well received.
The thing I was talking about involved a very new user making a similar complaint about getting banned for differing opinions back on reddit, no specific accusation just a general question. Maybe there was a history from reddit, I don’t know, but a moderator responded in-chat and the very first thing he said was inappropriate and demeaning. It was unprovoked and it escalated into juvenile name calling (by the mod, not the original commenter). I can’t remember exactly what he said and he has since removed it. The entire comment thread was removed by the mod, so maybe he realized how inappropriate it was. But he also removed the comment that started it which by itself was fairly innocent and deleted his own comments so they didn’t get stored in the mod logs. It just seemed unprofessional. That’s the kind of thing that can turn people off and lead to a further perception of censorship and is the kind of thing that I think a lot of people came here to escape. A more appropriate response would have been to point the commenter to another thread or post that might be more appropriate for that kind of discussion. Or (like you just did) he could have explained that this is a common perception but it’s a bit more nuanced than it may seem. In this case the post was regarding the move to Lemmy, so a topic of concern regarding community standards seemed reasonable. I think an open discussion or clear statement of philosophy governing the community would go a long way. If one of these kinds of comments get removed they can be directed to an explanation for why it’s better for the community to glean certain comments, but also lays out expectations for how users can express their opinions. It tends to be better to direct people to an appropriate outlet, even if their first choice for that outlet was inappropriate.
I appreciate the personal perspective. I tend to give mods a lot of leeway, even when it seems on the surface that they’re acting like power-tripping jerks. They deal with a LOT of negativity and take a lot of abuse, and that can wear on a person and cause one to overreact to minor slights.
But this discussion is a good one and essential to maintaining a healthy community. If mods are abusing their powers, they should absolutely be called on it. Just as if users are being overly negative or ignoring community guidelines on tone and behavior, they shouldn’t expect to be able to keep it up without some kind of censure.
i was barred from r/startrek for commenting on how the completely unprofessional attitudes of characters toward the chain of command was irritating to me. i compared it to the “finally” scene from tng, and how discovery has worse occurrences happen repeatedly every episode that just get completely ignored
What is the “finally” scene from TNG?
to those concerned about possible censorship or poor moderation of your fav communities (e.g. replies in this thread)… please remember the most important part of this social experiment.
Federation.
start your own instance and community, then you can manage things exactly as you see fit - literally godlike powers. play by the concensus rules of the instances you wish to federate with and your content will spread far and wide across the fediverse. your future will be glorious
