have to justify the attack on Lebanon somehow

also why don’t we have a burning Israeli flag emoji?

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      You are just accepting the Zionist premise that Israel = Jews, it’s pretty pathetic. Is it “anti-Semitic” when Hezbollah burns the flag of the Zionist entity? No.

      Resistance fighters burn the Israeli flag all the time and that’a good and based. Cowardice from the mods and giving into Zionist narratives

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        Several Jewish hexbears have said that a burning star of David would make them uncomfortable, that’s the end of that discussion.

        It’s an emoji on an internet forum. You’ll be fine without it.

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          Oh so if some Jewish protesters say “from the river to the sea” makes them uncomfortable we should fold to their concern trolling? That’s just the end of that discussion huh? And when jews say Harvard is anti-semitic and pro-palestine protests make them uncomfortable, that’s just the end of that discussion too?

          You know it’s bullshit, you don’t buy this argument anywhere else

          I’m an Arab poster and mods giving in to Zionist concern trolling makes me feel uncomfortable and like they believe israel = Jews and they think Hezbollah and Ansarallah are “anti-semites”. There’s not one place on the western internet that’s free of this cowardly hedging. Nowhere that will just outright support the axis of resistance and not wring their hands in worry the whole time. Every single place caves to zionist rhetoric eventually.

          “It’s just an internet emoji it doesn’t matter”

          If it doesn’t matter so much then add it and stop backing up Zionist arguments

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            isntrael you have that, you can live with that.

            It’s tragic that Zionists have put the star of David onto the flag but it’s still the symbol of Judaism and when people insist on having a burning star of David emoji it’s very distressing.

            Let it go.

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              I have this and will post it over and over. Let go of accepting Zionist concern trolling and embrace Hezbollah thought. You are just accepting the Zionist conflation and giving into it. It’s false and you know it

              Your argument is basically “Zionists are right that Judaism is Zionism and Hezbollah and Ansarallah are anti-Semitic for burning flags with the Star of David”

              You know this argument sucks but some mod made some bad decision about it and now you are backed into a corner defending an undefendable argument we all know is false

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                My first instinct is to agree with you, the scoldposts that don’t say/add anything are very annoying but does it really matter if its the Israel flag or not?

                We all know what the substitute is for and no one can accuse this place of anti-semitism. No one here disagrees that Israel is a bad fucked up place.

                I think you should be free to keep posting burning flags and anyone who has an issue should talk to you about it, not hide behind mods.

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                  We all know what the substitute is for

                  No, nobody even knows what the other 2 flags are and always have to ask. New users certainly don’t know what those flags mean. Generation after generation of new user will have to go through this discourse about why Israel flag gets a special status and why isn’t there a burning Israel flag, over and over, repeating the Zionist mythos to all who dare enter hexbear.

                  It’s stupid. Everyone here deep down knows I’m right and if I get banned for being hostile or whatever you all will know because I struck too close to the bone. I’m frustrated because people are acting dense as hell when it’s obvious how this is just like the “anti-semitism scares” at Harvard and about “from the river to the sea”, it’s optics cuckholdry but people try to dress it up and defend it and it’s bad faith

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            If you wanted to be part of the struggle session maybe you should have been here when it was done back in October, but as it is you’re not saying anything that wasn’t said then.

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              This is actually a way crazier argument than the people saying we have to listen to Jewish students at Harvard - I mean Hexbear, typo my bad

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              i don’t give a fuck about hexbear internal clique politics or ‘struggle sessions’. Accepting zionist arguments and folding to their concern trolling in such a way that would throw ansarallah under the bus is pathetic. Slimy. It stinks like all zionist concern trolling.

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                No, we’ve already done the whole argument, you can find it by searching :israel cool:. Your points were made and responded to there, but the discussion revolved around stopping actual antisemites using it for coded antisemitism, not zionists equating them.
                There’s idf-cool and isntrael to convey the exact same sentiment, but we don’t have and aren’t adding any burning religious symbols.

                You might think you’re above them, but our “internal clique politics” are how the site is shaped into a safe space for all comrades. If you don’t like it there are plenty of other instances available for you to join.

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                  none of the points were responded to. you trotted out the old “anti-Israel is anti-semitism” canard with a slight twist, it’s not actual anti-semitism but could be perceived as such! So an even weaker argument than the usual Zionist concern troll bullshit. It’s a pathetic non-argument and millions around the globe dance on top of burning Israeli flags, and that’s good. The more you try to act like a flag is sacred and can’t be burned, the more we are going to want to desecrate it in front of you. That’s how flag burning works. It’s weird that burning a zionist rag is shocking to you and shows how white and westernized you are, that you have that worry of anti-semitism override your normal logic here

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                    it’s not actual anti-semitism but could be perceived as such!

                    JUST FUCKING READ THE THREAD YOU LAZY, STUPID PEICE OF SHIT. As I believe what I said should have made clear, I am not trying to respond to your points. Your points aren’t anything that haven’t been said and fully discussed before - both the strawman you’re creating of our stance and your reponses to it - and were considered completely unimportant. Nobody gave a fuck about the idea that “anti-israel is antisemitism”.

                    It’s weird that burning a zionist rag is shocking to you

                    You are making up the entire argument on your own and refusing to look at what has already been said on the issue, because you don’t just think you know better than everyone else, you think you know what everyone else thinks better than they do. Personally I am very happy burning flags regardless of thier symbology, but as I said before, it’s a discussion we had an a decision we came to in order to maintain this as a safe place for all comrades, not just the ones that have weird posting meltdowns when they’re not allowed their emoji treats.

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        No they’re correctly pointing out that Israel’s flag has a star of David on it and that could be turned against us, just as it is in real life. They’re not conflating Zionists and Jews

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          Turkeys flag has Islamic imagery on it too, here is Hezbollah chads burning it and burning the Zionist rag

          Are you saying they are anti-Semitic and Islamophobic? That hezbollah has bad optics? I disagree, I think caving to Zionists is bad optics. I think you sound like the libs pearl clutching over the optics of Indian protesters using a “stalinist” flag. it’s horseshit and even entertaining their stupid arguments means you lost and are under their civility/tone-policing thumb