Or the fediverse in general.
I wanted to ask everyone their personal least favorite communities on reddit.
Whic subreddits do you absolutely not (personally of course) want to see recreated as magazines here on kbin, or as fediverse communities in general?
My pet peeve is CMV. I always felt while the idea seemed doable on the surface, the implementation within that particular subreddit with the delta system, the requirement for the top level comments to oppose the OP even if the “view” is an established expert consensus on something like climate change made it impossible to have meaningful conversations.
I haven’t checked if we have a CMV magazine here, but as soon as I see one, I know I’m blocking it.
What is your “instant block” community?
Calling a community [x]Porn that’s just SFW high-quality photos of something (eg EarthPorn, RoomPorn, etc). Leave that naming convention in the 2010s.
It did get rather silly though, especially when you started getting things like “HumanPorn”.
EarthPorn was a great place, but BeautifulPlaces really would’ve been the better name.
I could do without communities whose primary purpose it is to dump on other groups of people. That means the manosphere and far right subs, but it also means thinks like the various circlejerks and mendrawingwomen. Those kinds of places just serve as echo chambers for rage, and if communities like that start getting popular I’ll start a server myself and filter them out for people who don’t want to be exposed to it.
r/MenDrawingWomen didn’t have a circlejerk feel overall. Quite a bit of disagreement and people saying “actually, I’m okay with this one >.>” while also being helpful. Some artists would submit their stuff for advice on “how to not end up here”. People improving their work and others creating good examples of “men actually drawing women well” was celebrated. 🤷🏿♂️
You probably agree with their reasoning and general premise.
Now go back and suggest that there isn’t a “good” or “bad” way to draw women, and that being horny doesn’t make you a bad artist or a bad person, and see how that plays out. I bet you’ll get banned, or at the very least downvoted into oblivion. Every dumping sub has some amount of debate about who they’re dumping on, but that doesn’t stop them from being a dumping sub.
Also, I’ve seen stuff get posted there just for beginner anatomy mistakes. Constantly looking for content to post and dump on (even if it’s a poor fit) is the nature of that kind of sub, because rageboxes reward that behavior.
Edit: Also, most importantly, those kinds of subreddits leak. The most toxic people in the subreddit (even if the majority are absolutely wonderful people) are the ones who are nasty outside of the sub.
Now go back and suggest that there isn’t a “good” or “bad” way to draw women
I mean… “bad anatomy” posts were common. So were “where’s her spine?” comments. In this context, the issue was unrealistic realism for women but not for men. I’ll give an example that comes to mind. At one point (maybe last year), One Piece got dunked on for how the vast majority of its women were drawn. And the fans’ defense? (the post was brought up in r/OnePiece, so people were discussing it) “The men are unrealistic too. Most guys don’t look like that!”
Before anyone starts, ask yourself what the difference between physique and body-ody is. Before y’all miss the point, were the male and female characters designed the way the were for everyone’s enjoyment or for a single demographic’s?As for the both sides of it, when it comes to viewers who’re children, there most definitely is a “bad” way to draw people in general. Friendly reminder that people getting the wrong idea about their genitals from pornographic media is common… for both sexes.
inb4 definition of “children” 🙄and that being horny doesn’t make you a bad artist or a bad person, and see how that plays out. I bet you’ll get banned, or at the very least downvoted into oblivion.
I’m not gonna bother countering this.
As for the rest of your comment, you’ve got points.Before y’all miss the point, were the male and female characters designed the way the were for everyone’s enjoyment or for a single demographic’s?
A single demographic, clearly.
My wife listens to books on tape basically all the time, and some of those books are pretty horny and treat the character designs of their men in words the same way that One Piece treats the character designs of women in pictures. As such, it seems to me that those particular books are also targeted at a single demographic; and while I don’t think this has actually been studied by anyone that I’m aware of, it seems at least anecdotally that there’s more current written fiction geared exclusively towards straight women than there is geared exclusively towards straight men.
My point here isn’t “waddabout books, those are bad too”; it’s to point out that the existence of media that’s geared toward the enjoyment of some demographic or another is perfectly okay. One Piece doesn’t need to be aimed equally toward every demographic. Anyone who wants to like it is allowed to like it. If someone doesn’t like it because of the character designs, that’s fine too; the authors of the series aren’t obligated to alter their character designs to appeal to everyone. They can make it however they want.
This goes doubly for the random art that people post on reddit that r/mendrawingwomen frequently links to. Artists aren’t obligated to appeal to everyone equally. First and foremost, they’re trying to make something that appeals to them. And if people are positioned in a way that some people find attractive and other people find awkward-looking, if that’s the intent of the art, then that’s fine.
Now, you bring up kids, and I want to say that I think the idea of educating people about the difference between fantasy and reality is important, and that’s how we need to be dealing with misconceptions coming from things like porn. r/mendrawingwomen is not the kind of subreddit that’s ideal for doing the kind of non-judgmental education that needs to be done, though.
Yeah they’re groups of people combined by hatred, they have no chance to ever evolve into anything nice
Ehhh I’m 50/50 on these. Some of those subreddits are the only good places to get hobby specific memes. Magic the circlejerking for example.
I do understand they tend to foster bullying etc though
I don’t know that one very well. But my primary distinction is really be whether it’s people making fun of themselves, or people making fun of other people, even within the same hobby. I’m sure there are some subs with “circlejerk” in the name that aren’t like that.
I hope /r/FemaleDatingStrategy will not find it’s way to the Fediverse (or the male equivalent of it).
And for behaviour, I hope people will be more open and have a more open mindset and can understand people live differently in other parts of the world.I think FDS has been, very thankfully, inactive for the better part of a year. They ragequit because they got triggered that the TOS applied to them for once.
Furry porn.
Communities that revolve around a some class of meme format or joke are just the worst type of community.
Don’t get me wrong. Memes are great. Jokes are great. Inside jokes are great. But I’d much rather see them in the wild than have them all curated in a folder like its some zoo or a butterfly collection.
Yeah, i think it started to become too much a lonng time ago. Too many highly specific meme subs like Lotr, prequel/OT/sequel star wars, marvel, etc all using the same 20 memes and 30 phrases in the comments. Then the bots would fill the comment section with even more inside jokes and it just got tiring seeing it over and over again.
What is “CMV”?
a subreddit called Change My View.
You post some opinion on something with as much detail as possible as to why you have that opinion and the commenters try to change your view in some way.
The rules are; the OP has to demonstrate they are open to changing their view in some way, the top level comments must be aimed at challenging the OP’s view so you can’t say you agree with it, and the overall discussion must be civil. The partial or complete view changes have to be certified with a delta, a kind of award unique to that subreddit. The OP or other users are required to reply to the comment which changed their view with a description of how their view changed and the command !delta, which awards a delta to the user who posted the parent comment.
American politics seeping into every damn thing. And to top it off, with a clear bias in one direction. I resent having the feeling like there’s an astro-turfing effort going on, even when I agree with whatever stance is being pushed. Reddit is really tainted with that sort of thing.
Hopefully it doesn’t take hold here, or at least stays contained so I can decline subbing to magazines that would pertain. I’d rather not have to swim in the “political party A is evil and political party B is angelic” muck in unrelated magazines.
Funny thing on Reddit there quite literally was an astroturfing campaign paid for by CTR/Shareblue. That’s why r/politics turned into the toxic cesspit it remains today.
That’s hard to avoid on such a huge site where something like 50ish percent of the userbase is American. I totally agree with you though - it’s super irratating to be on a sub, talking about friggin Spiderman’s webfluid or something, and some dumbass in the comments has to relate the debate back to some American Republican talking points or something.
it’s super irratating to be on a sub, talking about friggin Spiderman’s webfluid or something
Having recently watched the latest Spiderman movie, wut?
I’m just making up a throwaway example. Once upon a time there was a debate about whether Spidey’s webfluid should be organic or if he should have webshooters. I’m personally in the webshooter camp - it’s one of the great examples we get of Peter being a genius who was so smart he could invent something so spectacular at such a young age with limited resources and no help. I really hated the organic idea. I thought it dumbed Pete down and was contradictory to the established character. And, I’m just saying, those kinds of discussions are the worst place to run into some idiot that can’t help but interject their personal politics, or mention their favorite candidates/pols for no reason. I always thought it must be just exhausting to be so totally consumed with poitics that you have to try to bring it up in every conversation, no matter how much of a non sequitur it ends up being.
Also…
Organic spideyfluid would be A-OK if he shot it out of his ass! Shooting it out of wrists doesn’t make any goddam sense!
Much like Brown Widow from Ventrue Bros.
Ventrue Bros. sounds like an awesome Vampire chronicle.
This is the VtM campaign I didn’t know I needed.
If Spiderman shot webs out of his arsehole I might actually go and see one of those dumb films for a change
Well… a cat spits out a web ball in the latest Spiderman… does that work?
And, I’m just saying, those kinds of discussions are the worst place to run into some idiot that can’t help but interject their personal politics, or mention their favorite candidates/pols for no reason.
Oh~ yeah, that sounds annoying af.
I find your lack of respect for the hyphen in Spider-Man disturbing
Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Spiderman is Tatsuya Yamashiro.
Oh no, I broke rule number one!!! Damn you to hell, autocorrect!!
I said this the other day. Post on Reddit about English something. First comments were about american culture. Had to scroll until I found opinions from the UK.
Everything becomes murica. It’s infuriating. I get reddit is basically America and it’s a large population but so is India or China or Africa. Doesn’t just need to be America all the time.
Murka murka murka, murka?
That’s not just a Reddit thing, it’s an Internet thing.
Americans absolutely dominate the English-speaking Internet.
But then the population of the US is greater than the population of Australia, the UK, New Zealand and Canada combined, twice over.
They were also the origin of the Internet. It is frustrating for me as a Latin American discuss about tech and being told by Americans to just buy cheap refurbished tech from eBay, Microcenter or something. The access to markets isn’t remotely the same.
Memes in general. Some are probably funny but I have not seen those yet. Most are low effort or done by a 14 year old. Maybe I’m just getting to old…
- TwoXChromosomes : Just TERF subreddit by name alone
- (Kotaku|Tumblr)InAction : I hate Kotaku but not for same reason peops in those subreddits hate them
- Not so much confined to specific subreddits , but whol “(CHINA|RUSSIA) BAD” mindset : You don’t have to believe everything they do’s good , but can’t trust peops to not be (sino|russio)phobic about it
2XC was welcoming to trans people which I found weird because of the name. Maybe they should have migrated to a different sub that doesn’t reference chromosomes and instead has women in the name. 2XC would then become a sub about science and genes lol
oh shit. I forgor places like vegancirclejerk
TwoXChromosomes : Just TERF subreddit by name alone
I only lurked on the sub, but while the name was obviously bad, i remember it being very positive towards transwomen? Are there TERFs once you engage in the discussion or were there some big incidents that were transphobic?
I don’t go on there bcus, again, name makes me think TERF subreddit . A name like TwoXChromosomes doesn’t sound like it’d be welcoming for trans women.
Also is always possible they’re just more crypto about their TERFyness
Since we are obviously all avoiding reddit now, we dont really have to think to much about it anymore. But for what its worth, their first sticky post actually addresses the problem quite well, imo.
TwoXChromosomes was kind of a victim of the fact that it was never in the history of Reddit made possible to change a subreddit’s name without just starting over and losing all of the history (incl. top/all time sorting). When the subreddit was designed as a space for women and girls on Reddit thirteen years ago, they picked the name because of 2010 Reddit’s very “science rules!” culture and wanted to evoke not just “women and girls” but “geeky women and girls that use the geek site for nerds, Reddit”. They were trans-inclusionary over a decade ago, despite the name. Their current pinned post says specifically “Trans women are women. TERFs can fuck right off” in giant bold text.
I get being made uncomfortable by the name, but 2XC was trans-friendly before a lot of other more mainstream feminist spaces were.
(Kotaku|Tumblr)InAction : I hate Kotaku but not for same reason peops in those subreddits hate them
iirc r/TumblrInAction was one of the documented hate groups I got massbanned for participating in. lul That’s when I knew.
r/PublicFreakout’s constant unrestrained 'isms, especially towards trans, women, and African descended. I only was subbed for the occassional interesting post and to call out the bs for those who couldn’t see it.
r/JustUnsubbed’s (iirc) noticeable political shift towards (i’mma say it; cover your eyes, children!) the Right after the recent situation with the game that shall not be named and she who shall not be named. Also, see above.
People shitting on and lying about subs specifically made for marginalized groups. e.g.: When r/BlackPeopleTwitter was blessed by Black Jesus with his “Country Club Thread” flair, people elsewhere started calling them racist and supported their claims by over exaggerating the filtration system as “only Blacks allowed” when there was a whole-ass stickied post explaining that people just needed to claim to be Black, BIPOC, or an Ally and prove it by whatever means the mods dictated. My Afro-ass asked if I could just get the Ally userflair and was told (privately and kindly) that, and I’m going off memory here, “Just like we don’t allow Blackface we don’t allow Whiteface.” 🤷🏿♂️
Could probably go on, but I’m busy. ✌🏿
I didn’t like the filter. I shouldn’t have to submit a photo of my arm to “prove” I am mixed with black, my skin tone also isn’t dark so I might as well be lying. I never participated because of the filter, it brings up painful memories surrounding my heritage and skin tone and childhood. I think it’s an odd choice to prevent most of reddit from commenting and preserve a safe place. I get that it cut down on racists, still don’t feel comfortable about it. I don’t know what other tests they put people through, the photo test was the one talked about a lot.
There is an ally flair I remember seeing but I don’t want it. I don’t want a label because if I say I’m mostly Latino, I’ve had people tell me that makes me white and not a POC and will never know what racism is and I get basically shut out. But also I’ve had people, even family members, be racist to me about being mixed with black. I guess I don’t belong in the conversation.
I’ve also had run ins with some of the black power mods, yellow rose, and she expressed not wanting me to participate at all because I believe while white people can’t be systematically oppressed the same way in America, you can still be racist to them. She runs the main sub about racism on reddit, they only talk about white supremacy because that’s the only type of racism in their minds. It makes me just not want to talk about my experiences because they aren’t valid. I will never be black enough or white enough or Latino enough.
Kinda the same reason I never participated there. I’m half white but before I had an obviously black hairstyle, I got “what are you?” a lot, so any kind of skin test would just be me once again having to prove I’m black enough to have an opinion. Fuck that.
Shit, never thought about how the skin test could affect a mixed person. 🤔 Thanks for the comment.
I assumed the Ally tests were more thorough and harder to trick, but never looked into it.Yeah~ I don’t doubt anything you’re saying. I’m visibly a brotha and “dark-skinned” (actually medium brown back home, but whatevs), so I was spared that shit. Definitely got some other shit, but 'eh. 😅
I will never be black enough or white enough or Latino enough.
Reminding me of (iirc) a Hispanic-American dude who explained a similar situation due to skin tone. As I recall it, he was “too light for the Black kids and too dark for the White kids,” so he had nowhere to go growing up. Nobody wanted him at their table. 😐
Also, dat’s fucked. Since we can’t spoiler tag text, I’mma just speak my unsolicited opinion on it: You’re racially all three and culturally which ever ones you identify with. How society treats you is a different matter.You’d probably benefit from F.D Signifier’s “I need a break so here’s me reacting to Tik Toks” (timestamped) video and its many~ comments. Nebula version.
Also, here’s his Black Men and Colorism on Screen video. Nebula version. Haven’t watched it yet myself, but chances are it’ll be… relevant atleast.Thank you for being so understanding, I definitely relate the the guy you are talking about. It’s embarrassing to admit for me, I was much darker as a kid (if you saw me at this time you would believe I’m a POC) because I went in the sun a lot and didn’t cover up or use sunscreen but I lost what was a tan the whole time when I started avoiding going outside altogether. I will check out the links you sent :)
So~ having recently seen The Blackening (2023), I’m just gonna say that that movie will probably bring up bad memories, make you uncomfortable, and valid you at the same time. Happy Juneteenth.
Really not a big deal, but the fight to say something witty/funny and unhelpful on more serious/non joke threads. Like not relevant or useful. I hated having to scroll multiple comment threads to find the answer/explanation for something. Related, but also the circle jerk or the same “in jokes” that get repeated over and over verbatim.
Yeah I disliked that too. It was unfortunate someone would have to tag their post as [serious] to discourage joke replies. Even then, depending on the moderation that’s still all you’d get.
Chuds. I know they’re inevitable on any platform but my goodness we could do without their vile hatred. Any of the incel subs must stay gone. Also, cryptocurrency.
Depends on the sub. At least for me,
r/IncelExitand its modteam helped me crawl out of a dark hole some time ago. That sub is an invaluable resource against radicalization.Lemme guess, they just bashed and berated you until you just cracked? No one who claims to be against incels actually offers any legitimate help for them. I am married, btw, just to preempt you likely calling me an incel.
Y’know, if that actually worked maybe the world would be a better place, but it doesn’t.
I was lurking idiot, your comment shows you clearly never visited there at all.
Why would I need to? I’m married, I don’t have an “inceldom” to exit. I just know how all “anti-incel” people are. You seem pretty upset that I am critiquing them, though.
I wasn’t aware of that sub but yeah, anti-radicalization magazines/communities would be cool.
The irony of bashing a decentralized platform… while literally on a decentralized platform.
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FTX and Binance are just about the farthest away from decentralized. It’s in the hands of big money now.
Ahh yes, FTX and Binance = crypto.
It’s a sad fact that they hold like 60% of all capital in the space. The hiccups of big tokens like Bitcoin and Ethereum add such a high overhead cost to transactions. The average user (and their dollars) must enter through these platforms or else get fleeced by the infinite scams out there.
Cryptocurrency is a scam. It may be decentralized and open-source, but it’s still a scam. I don’t like scams.
It’s real funny seeing the left flip from the largest crypto advocates to the biggest detractors just from a single lie. I remember wayyy back on the days of Google+ one of the largest and most cancerous leftists on the platform was the largest crypto advocate. I bet he smashed his rig lol.
Crypto advocates always were libertarians. “The left” as a collective ideology were always against crypto since its inception.
You sound like you are deluded, don’t know what you’re talking about or both. I’ll go with both.
Crypto advocates always were libertarians. “The left” as a collective ideology were always against crypto since its inception.
Funny because I could have sworn that ackshully the left are the real libertarians and libleft is the only legitimate form of libertarianism. So are you saying that libleft doesn’t exist, because in that case I would agree.
Being pedantic won’t save you here.
Everyone knows what I mean when I say libertarians.
If there was ever one political ideology generalized to being crypto advocates, it was “the US version” of libertarians, aka right leaning anarcho-capitalist types.
“The left” never advocated for crypto. There were (again US style) liberals here and there who liked the idea, and a lot of people like to equate them with leftists for some reason even though they are center right, but I digress.
The “true libertarians” as you said, also never advocated for crypto. Lib-left, never advocated for crypto. If I have to say it again: the left, in the original, global definition of the left, never advocated for crypto.
bEiNg pEdAnTiC WoN’T SaVe yOu hErE.
You can take the Redditor off of Reddit, but you cannot take the Reddit out of the Redditor. Holy fuck the arrogance, you should go back to Reddit.
For me all the dank* and *circlejerk subreddits.
Counterpoint: I’m a fan of highly specialized memes, and they worked well to drag the shitty content away from the main subreddits. tf2circlejerk kept me invested in my lost love for the game.
Huh. I kinda thought CMV did a good job of encouraging actual view changing.
What I don’t want to see replicated is communities like UnpopularOpinion, where all the top posts are popular opinions, AITA, where all posts are one-sided retellings of stories meant to elicit “NTA” responses, and Confessions, where everything is total fiction.
As I said in reply to another comment, my issue with the CMV formula is the enormous megaphone it gives to very backwards opinions with the added bonus of wrapping a veneer of honest discussion around it.
It does encourage the appearance of changing views through its rules, but in practice, the longer a thread with a bigoted (or otherwise unpopular) OP kept up the appearance of an honest discussion without giving deltas and closing the discussion, the more primetime exposure it got.
Of course, this is my personal opinion, and I concede that the mods would sooner or later lock the thread anyway, but I always felt that it did more harm than good.
It was already bad enough indulging racist/sexist/transphobic shitheads with platforms just so they could have “polite debates” (that they didn’t actually care about, they just wanted pulpits); having a place specifically for them to come and have more debates they don’t actually care about was an especially stupid idea.
I’d really appreciate not having to see any of the shitposting/edgy humor communities. The majority of the content posted is mostly misogynistic (see women ☕️ “meme”) or dismissive of the LGBTQ+ community. I think there’s already a self titled “shitposting” community on here and from the little I’ve seen of it, it seems ok. Only time will tell if that community becomes rife with the same dumb & edgy content from the subreddit equivalent. Also, no more FDS/Incel or just generally hateful communities.
