• Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    It is still toxic masculinity, people just aren’t prepared to acknowledge the massive role women play in propagating it.

    • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      So the belief by neo-feminists that all men are rapists and undeserving of sympathy is due to all men’s toxic personality? Am I getting that right? Seems like victim blaming.

      • TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Calling it toxic masculinity isn’t victim blaming. Men are victims to toxic masculinity every day and it isn’t because they have a “toxic personality”, it’s because the “masculine” image and roles in society they are expected to uphold are toxic.

        The opinions of “neo feminists” are not what is typically held true either. Very few people think that way.

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          10 months ago

          “Toxic masculinity” is absolute dog shit as a name for it, and I’m sure the parent commenter is reacting to that.

          People use the adjective in plenty of adjective-noun pairs as an intensifier all the time. The ones railing against “deviant homosexuals” are not distinguishing them from the vanilla ones, nor do people who decry “evil pedophiles” recognize and support a non-evil variety. Thus, a lot of people hear the name “toxic masculinity” the same way, as if it is denouncing masculinity as a whole.

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          10 months ago

          Calling it toxic masculinity implies that none of this would be happening if patriarchy didn’t exist. That is horribly wrong.

      • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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        “Toxic masculinity” doesn’t imply “masculinity is inherently toxic”, but rather it refers to behaviors that are generally considered masculine, and are being described as toxic. You can talk about toxic femininity as well. A lot of people do, in fact, they just call it “being Karens”.