Fuck apple beyond words for creating a bully situation with children because of their fucked UX design and unwillingness to simply release their own iMessage app for android.
Yes, fuck Apple, sure. But tell your kids they don’t have to care. In the end it’s just a computer and any relationship that actually matters won’t teeter on which fucking app you use. If your kid is getting ostracized from a group ONLY because they don’t use iMessage, tell them they’ve found the wrong group and they’re worth way more than that. Real friends are more than willing to take a 2-second step and install a second chat app to accommodate friends who cannot use iMessage. There are more androids out there than iPhones anyway.
Corporations are not your friends. They will not take responsibility for your kids unless they’re forced or they decide they want to get paid for doing it. Your kids deserve to know how to navigate society despite this. Teach them.
WTF? Have you never met a kid in your life? Kids are stupid, their brains are still developing. You can’t just reason with them, explain that the thing they want is stupid and that they should actually want something else. It gets worse with teenagers, they think they are actually smart and stop listening while thinking that every choice they make will have a huge impact on their entire life. Telling them to “suck it up and find some other friends” has to be the most pointless thing you can do.
Look, I hate kids, don’t have any and never will but even I understand how fucked up it has to be for your kid to be excluded from activities because they don’t have a phone or have the wrong one. Being a parent now has to really suck. All kids bond over things that are bad for them (social media) so you pretty much have to choose how do you prefer to hurt your kid: by giving them a phone or by making them an outcast.
If you think you know how bad one teen can get, try dealing with classrooms of them, for over a decade.
At that age in their development, their brains start sloughing off cells that it thinks it doesn’t need, so they go out and do stupid shit no matter what you try to tell them. They’re basically learning more from serious fuckups than anything else because those are the lessons that stick.
At that age you’ve just got to compromise. In this case, I’d say tell them they can get whatever phone they want as long as they pay for it themselves and hear out your concerns. If you’re the one buying, tell them tough shit, they get what they get, or make them write you an essay of why they think they deserve a one kind of phone over the one you think they ought to have. It gives you an opportunity to hear them out completely, call out bs, share some personal insight, or maybe even reconsider your own stance on the issue.
It’s bizarre you’re getting downvoted for saying this. Yeah, a lot of teens / kids won’t understand, but that’s fine if they don’t immediately understand. Pain brings progress.
I never said it was blameless. Just seems silly to focus on blaming a corporation like Apple for a social issue when you could choose from so many other options.
In what way is a post about beeper functionality the place to start complaining about points 2-4? It’s weird to pretend kids aren’t bullied for all sorts of dumb things, if something can be changed that doesn’t negatively impact anyone why not?
Fuck apple beyond words for creating a bully situation with children because of their fucked UX design and unwillingness to simply release their own iMessage app for android.
Eh. I think it’s a lesson children need to learn eventually.
People with more money than sense are insecure about their lack of understanding.
Jfc. The snowflakes here.
Yes, fuck Apple, sure. But tell your kids they don’t have to care. In the end it’s just a computer and any relationship that actually matters won’t teeter on which fucking app you use. If your kid is getting ostracized from a group ONLY because they don’t use iMessage, tell them they’ve found the wrong group and they’re worth way more than that. Real friends are more than willing to take a 2-second step and install a second chat app to accommodate friends who cannot use iMessage. There are more androids out there than iPhones anyway.
Corporations are not your friends. They will not take responsibility for your kids unless they’re forced or they decide they want to get paid for doing it. Your kids deserve to know how to navigate society despite this. Teach them.
WTF? Have you never met a kid in your life? Kids are stupid, their brains are still developing. You can’t just reason with them, explain that the thing they want is stupid and that they should actually want something else. It gets worse with teenagers, they think they are actually smart and stop listening while thinking that every choice they make will have a huge impact on their entire life. Telling them to “suck it up and find some other friends” has to be the most pointless thing you can do.
Look, I hate kids, don’t have any and never will but even I understand how fucked up it has to be for your kid to be excluded from activities because they don’t have a phone or have the wrong one. Being a parent now has to really suck. All kids bond over things that are bad for them (social media) so you pretty much have to choose how do you prefer to hurt your kid: by giving them a phone or by making them an outcast.
If you think you know how bad one teen can get, try dealing with classrooms of them, for over a decade.
At that age in their development, their brains start sloughing off cells that it thinks it doesn’t need, so they go out and do stupid shit no matter what you try to tell them. They’re basically learning more from serious fuckups than anything else because those are the lessons that stick.
At that age you’ve just got to compromise. In this case, I’d say tell them they can get whatever phone they want as long as they pay for it themselves and hear out your concerns. If you’re the one buying, tell them tough shit, they get what they get, or make them write you an essay of why they think they deserve a one kind of phone over the one you think they ought to have. It gives you an opportunity to hear them out completely, call out bs, share some personal insight, or maybe even reconsider your own stance on the issue.
Seriously.
It’s bizarre you’re getting downvoted for saying this. Yeah, a lot of teens / kids won’t understand, but that’s fine if they don’t immediately understand. Pain brings progress.
Downvotes don’t bother me. Both figuratively and literally, considering they don’t seem to be federating.
Than #thanksobama
Yeah! What a terrible job they’ve done raising those bullies!
“That feature specifically to Other-ize users of the competing brand is totally blameless for the behavior it’s designed to influence.”
I never said it was blameless. Just seems silly to focus on blaming a corporation like Apple for a social issue when you could choose from so many other options.
Please don’t try and put words in my mouth.
Please don’t play dumb about this company’s role in a visible trend.
You are explicitly blaming parents, instead of Apple. If you meant anything else then you fucked up.
Yeah, remember when Canada Goose caused all these people to get mugged for their jackets.
For the way their children behave? Yes.
You do realize before there were text bubbles kids bullied each other over other things, right? The right clothes, shoes, bike, sports equipment etc.
It’s lazy and irresponsible to blame a social problem on a company. Particularly when there are far more legitimate complaints about the company.
No problem has two causes, apparently. All or nothing. One or the other. Blaming parents instead of Apple, or else blaming Apple instead of parents.
No way these known assholes could bear any responsibility in yet another problem.
I guess I’m just not as emotionally involved as you.
When I see or hear about a person behaving poorly I blame the person, and in the case of children I blame their parents too.
How dare anyone put words in your mouth, but calling an argument emotional is fine. Hypocrite.
Hypocrite pretending systemic issues aren’t real.
In what way is a post about beeper functionality the place to start complaining about points 2-4? It’s weird to pretend kids aren’t bullied for all sorts of dumb things, if something can be changed that doesn’t negatively impact anyone why not?
Who do you blame if it’s about something other than text message bubble color?
I’m just tired of people ignoring personal responsibility and blaming a company.
Odd how this is a uniquely American issue and you don’t hear about this from other places.
That’s a real strong reach there buddy.