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  • Xariphon@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    I mean, it’s also objectively true, but “leftist” and “true” align more often than not.

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      9 months ago

      Leftists generally are correct and also morally superior to conservatives, yes. Conservativism is reactionary and opposes liberation, in favor of maintaining current power structures, even if it relies on outward hatred of the less fortunate.

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        9 months ago

        Although it is understandable that you are frustrated with the „others“, I think the „right wing nutjobs“ are not what conservatism actually aspires to be.

        If you read up on conservative values, the ideas are partly morally sound:

        • limited government
        • rule of law
        • fiscal responsibility
        • human dignity

        Those were the only ones I could find that are most probably agreeable. I agree that fascists are evil but if we put everyone in that basket who wants to take care of their homeland we’re no better than them. We should know better.

        Or did I not understand you correctly?

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          9 months ago

          In my opinion, the actions of conservative people and politicians are inconsistent with their stated values.

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            9 months ago

            I agree. Thats why I said it. Conservatism isnt the enemy. People are riled up against each other and ultimately themselves.

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          9 months ago

          There’s a difference between espoused values and practical plans. Conservatives want strong government, draconian punishment to keep people in line, limited social safety nets, and traditional gender roles and family structure. All of this is built on regressive outlook and results from reactionary outlook.

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            9 months ago

            That is what current „conservative“ politicians in certain countries do. What I‘m saying is that we‘re only hurting ourselves if we hate each other. Instead we must agree on things and keep each other honest imo.

            One reason why conservatives turn to right wing nutjobs is because someone (populists) promises them answers they can understand. The evidently more educated side instead looks down on them. Its obvious from the derogatory language some people use.

            I‘m saying we wont make this world better by killing each other. The enemy is in control of the media and tries to cut off education (paywall it, dilute it) so we‘re easier to manipulate.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                  9 months ago

                  Correct, which is why the left needs to win over right wingers and convince the right to become left, as the right stands in support of this power structure.

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                    9 months ago

                    …which will happen right after the sun explodes.

                    Instead, we could not accept political ideology and instead start cooperating and understanding based on things we can agree on.

                    If people agreed that the majority of profit produced by labor should benefit labor its not important what other political ideologies they have.

                    If the majority started striking until profit goes back to those producing it, this all would be over in a month.

                    But if they wear a shirt each, dividing them into their political camp, they wont cooperate.

                    Can you see how this is a tool to keep us from taking our fair share?