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    11 months ago

    If he means the massacre being carried out with his involvement of the semitic peoples of Palestine, he’s right

  • AfterthoughtC - he/ him@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Calling Hamas/ Palestinians antisemitic is like accusing wwii-era Korean/ Chinese/ Malaysian resistance groups etc. of being ‘Japanophobic’ against their occupiers, or trans people of being ‘cisphobic’ against transphobes.

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        11 months ago

        I checked your link and that outdated charter you quoted also links to their 2017 charter. Point 16:

        “16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.”

        EDIT: For those who wants to see it directly in case the above gets taken down: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

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      11 months ago

      There absolutely is an excuse for Hamas’s actions because their two options are to fight or to live forever in an open air prison.

      Their actions are just as justified as MK’s during Apartheid.

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        Attacking civilians attending a concert isn’t fighting, it’s just terrorism. Not that Israel hasn’t done far worse, but neither side has clean hands as far as I’m concerned.

        I also have my doubts that Hamas’s fight is all about helping Palestinians. I would be shocked to learn that the people giving the orders were anywhere near Palestine when it happened. They know full well what Israel’s response would look like.

        The only group I sympathize with is Palestinian civilians.

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          Maybe don’t hold your music festival right next to your bantustan. Or, better idea: don’t have fucking bantustans in the first place.

          Demanding peaceful resistance or whatever cockeyed ideas you have about how to free yourself from oppression is absolutely ahistorical.

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            11 months ago

            Where did I demand peaceful resistance? I’d even back attacking settlers since they are trespassers and agressers. The “they” at the concert don’t constitute a legitimate target to me.

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              11 months ago

              The oppressed don’t have the luxury of picking targets you find acceptable.

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                11 months ago

                Then the face the dire consequence of facing my disproval.

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                  Oh, I’m sure you hold the same disapproval for Israel and the hundreds of thousands of innocent people they’re slaughtered and raped.

                  Probably not though, because you’re here crying about Hamas like a fucking dumbass.

                  Israel is worse than Hamas, and Hamas was created to stop the terror of Israel.

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    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Israel then launched a military offensive in the Gaza Strip, in which at least 27,585 Palestinians have been killed and thousands more are feared buried under rubble, the Hamas-run health ministry said.

    “It is obvious that we owe the same emotion and the same dignity to the French victims of the bombings in Gaza, and this tribute will be paid to them at another time,” the official said, without giving a date.

    The Elysée said the key message of the memorial ceremony for the victims of the 7 October attacks was the “fight against antisemitism and through it … all forms of hatred, racism and oppression of minorities”.

    Yashay Dan, a relative of one of the French-Israelis believed still to be held hostage, Ofer Kalderon, said he hoped the ceremony could “resonate all around the world, not only in France”.

    Tzipora Levy, whose son Yitzhak was killed at the Nova music festival and who had travelled to Paris, said the ceremony was symbolic amid the sadness felt by families.

    There was controversy over some of the politicians attending the Paris ceremony, with many families of French victims saying they did not want to see figures from Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s leftwing party, La France Insoumise, accusing it of failing to sufficiently denounce the 7 October attacks and term Hamas a terror group.


    The original article contains 667 words, the summary contains 220 words. Saved 67%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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      11 months ago

      “our century”, meaning the 21st century - not the last 100 years.

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      11 months ago

      What’s going on right now makes it clear how ridiculous the word “the” is in “the Holocaust”.

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        That’s true… And the levels of censorship around the topic could even make one wonder why there so much control of the spread of media on the topic.

        I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it does feel like there’s a conspiracy of western complicity trying to protect and tightly control opinions on the topic.

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          I think it’s because the Nazis provide a clear bad guy that is unrelated or at least detachable from the power structure of today. Most other genocides or “holocausts” (an odd term when considering it’s Biblical origins) have uncomfortable connections to modern oligarchs.