I am thinking of extending my storage and I don’t know if I should buy a JBOD (my current solution) or a RAID capable enclosure.

My “server” is just a small intel nuc with an 8th gen i3. I am happy with the performance, but that might be impacted by a bigger software RAID setup. My current storage setup is a 4-bay JBOD with 4TB drives in RAID 5. And I am thinking of going to 6 x 8TB drives with RAID 6 which will probably be more work for my little CPU

  • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
    161·
    9 months ago

    Normally I would say software, or rather a raid-like filesystem like btrfs or ZFS. But in your specific case of funneleing it all through a single usb-c connection it is probably better to keep using an external box that handles it all internally.

    That said, the CPU load of software raid it very small, so that isn’t really something to be concerned with, but usb connections are quite unstable and not good for directly connecting drives in a raid.

    • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.deOP
      2·
      9 months ago

      I mean I’ve been running the setup this way for >4 years and never had any problem with the USB connection, so I cannot attest to “usb connections are quite unstable”…

      • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
        91·
        9 months ago

        I supposed that is because the JBOD box was handling the raid internally so short connection issues are not that problematic and can be recovered from automatically. But that wouldn’t be the case if you connected everything together with a usb hub and usb to sata adapters and run a software raid on that.

        • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          I don’t know usb c in thunderbolt has direct access to pcie lanes.

        • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          9 months ago

          I’ve been running a 4-disk RAIDz1 on USB for 4 years now with zero failures on one machine and one failure on another where it turned out the USB controller in one WD Elements was overheating. Adhering a small heatsink on it resolved the problem and it’s been stable under load for 2 years now. The USB devices have to be decent. AMD’s host controllers are okay. VIA hubs are okay. ASMedia USB-to-SATA are okay. I’m using some enclosures with ASMedia and some off-the-shelf WD Elements that also use ASMedia. It’s likely easier to get a reliable system if installing disks internally as the PSU and interconnects are much more regulated and any would work well, whereas with USB you have to be careful in selecting decent components.

    • dan@upvote.auEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      I used to use mdadm, but ZFS mirrors (equivalent to RAID1) are quite nice. ZFS automatically stores checksums. If some data is corrupted on one drive (meaning the checksum doesn’t match), it automatically fixes it for you by getting the data off the mirror drive and overwriting the corrupted data. The read will only fail if the data is corrupted on both drives. This helps with bitrot.

      ZFS has raidz1 and raidz2 which use one or two disks for parity, which also has the same advantages. I’ve only got two 20TB drives in my NAS though, so a mirror is fine.

  • Paragone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    101·
    9 months ago

    I read somewhere, years ago, that RAID6 takes about 2 cores, on a working server.

    That may have been a decade ago, and hardware’s improved significantly since then.

    Bet on 1 core being saturated, min, with heavy use of a RAID6 or Z2 array, I suspect…

    I’d go with software raid, not hardware: with hardware RAID, a dead array, due to a dead controller-card, means you need EXACTLY the same card, possibly the same firmware-revision, to be able to recover the RAID.

    With mdadm, that simply isn’t a problem: mdadm can always understand mdadm RAID’s.

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  • Violet_McQuasional@feddit.ukEnglish
    5·
    9 months ago

    ZFS kicks arse. It’s worth learning enough to get a basic array going, with a couple of datasets and encryption. Once you get acquainted with that, you’ll be using it for years to come.

  • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.caEnglish
    5·
    9 months ago

    Software, software, software! ZFS, mdraid, etc. USB is fine even with hubs, so long as your hubs and USB controllers (USB-to-SATA) are decent and not overheating.

  • BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.deOP
    51·
    9 months ago

    Since hardware RAID is not state of the art anymore I will definetly stick with software RAID. I think I will just build a new server for the money, since an 8-Bay USB enclosure costs around 600€ and for that amount of money I can just build a new server with even better performance

  • Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyzBEnglish
    2·
    9 months ago

    Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

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    LVM (Linux) Logical Volume Manager for filesystem mapping
    NAS Network-Attached Storage
    NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
    PCIe Peripheral Component Interconnect Express
    PSU Power Supply Unit
    RAID Redundant Array of Independent Disks for mass storage
    SAN Storage Area Network
    SATA Serial AT Attachment interface for mass storage
    ZFS Solaris/Linux filesystem focusing on data integrity

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  • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
    59·
    9 months ago

    just my 2 cents, if youre going to do raid, buy a thing that will do it…

    a nas or enclosure where the hardware does all the heavy lifting. do not build raided system from a bunch of disks… i have had, and have had friends have many failures over the years from those home brew raids failing in one way or another and its usually the software that causes the raid to go sideways… mayvbe shits better today than it was 10-20 years ago.

    its just off my list. i bought a bunch of cheap nas devices that handle the raid, and then i mirror those devices for redundancy.

    • Doubletwist@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      9 months ago

      Y’all must be doing something wrong because HW raid has been hot garbage for at least 20years. I’ve been using software raid (mdadm, ZFS) since before 2000 and have never had a problem that could be attributed to the software raid itself, while I’ve had all kinds of horrible things go wrong with HW raid. And that holds true not just at home but professionally with enterprise level systems as a SysAdmin.

      With the exception of the (now rare) bare metal windows server, or the most basic boot drive mirroring for VMware (with important datastores on NAS/SAN which are using software raid underneath, with at most some limited HW assisted accelerators) , hardly anyone has trusted hardware raid for decades.

          • KnightontheSun@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            They were olde by the time I got to administer them and they were failing every so often. They were a pain to work with as I recall, but again no lost data. They would beep with no issues sometimes. One thing that wasn’t their fault was a previous admin had set them up in threes with all but one disk in a raid5 array. They were wondering why performance was crap and one array would just drop every week like clockwork.

            Took a while, but I mirrored (VVM) the data off on spare 3500s set up properly. They ran okay then. It was just ancient storage. Glad to work on netapps now. So much smoother and sophisticated storage compared to the olden days. lol