• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    43
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    You don’t have to prove with links that we did that. We were joined in it by a broad, multilateral coalition of partners.

    Those who saw the raw intelligence said it was irrefutable and the problem was significantly more widespread than the 13 people directly accused, all of whom the agency immediately fired upon also seeing the intelligence.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        40
        ·
        10 months ago

        The fact that you’ve said this makes it obvious that you do not know enough about this story to have an opinion on it. You’re not following it closely enough snd haven’t done your basic homework to come into this conversation.

        • Justin@lemmy.jlh.name
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          31
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          You can’t just respond to “citation needed” with an ad hominem, my dude.

        • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          20
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          Did you see the raw intelligence or are we just going with Israel and their allies saying to us “trust me bro”? Seems unlikely that the UN aid agency is actually a secret Hamas organization. That’s very convenient.

              • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                11
                ·
                10 months ago

                What am I your secretary? I wrote what they said in this thread. Some dumbo comes along and says “citation needed.”

                If that resonated with you, perhaps you also have not followed this story closely enough to know what you’re talking about? Try adding the words “state department” or “intelligence briefing” to your Google search string. If you had followed the story closely enough, you’d already know what sources I was referencing in my initial post. Maybe you could disagree with their responses, but saying “citation needed” to the basic facts of the story instantly reveals you as unserious.

                • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  If you refuse to take the time to cite your claims, then you will be rightly dismissed. That is the nature of written discourse. It is not worth our time to attempt to research all of the inane claims made by foolish people online. Most are false or misleading and I’d rather not waste my time on a wild goose chase.

                  I actually thought your initial point was reasonable and maybe you could have persuaded me and others by offering some good reading. Instead you’ve just acted condescending and rude. I don’t think this is a good faith contribution to the discussion here.

                  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    I don’t see it that way. I made a cogent argument and presented the basic facts of the story to support my opinion. It’s as if I had said “IMO the war in Gaza is really terrible, 30,000 people are dead.” And someone said “citation needed.” Obviously, that person hasn’t done their homework and aren’t seriously participating.

                    The person I was originally replying to said several things that were patently false and I corrected them with a short summary of the actual facts. The one fact that I got wrong was that it was 12 UNWRA employees who directly participated in the attack, and not 13 as I originally wrote from memory.

                    The person didn’t disagree with my opinion of the facts, or suggest it was inadequat support; just said “citation needed,” which is the same as calling me a liar, as if I had just made up the facts. How is somebody going to sit here and talk about what the American government knew and did not know if they were not familiar with the statements of the Secretary of State of foreign affairs leadership on the hill? It’s asinine.

    • CabbageRelish
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      This is ass backwards. UNRWA immediately fired the accused employees solely because they were worried about the potential ramifications and figured it wasn’t something worth fighting. They had and have seen zero actual evidence to back it up. Meanwhile, half the west stupidly took this as evidence that the allegations were true and pulled their future funding, while they too have seen zero actual evidence to back up Israel’s claims.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        9
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        The IDF came to Washington and showed Congress and the IC the texts, social media messages, and cell phone location data, which was described by people briefed as “highly credible” and “irrefutable.”

        Anthony Blinken’s State Department, Joe Biden’s admin, and the foreign affairs committee immediately pulled the money. If the evidence they saw could rationally be disregarded as “stupid,” which is your assessment, even though you yourself have not seen the evidence, you are suggesting what exactly, that the cell phone metadata, social media data, and text logs–which sufficed to put the US government into immediate action–were completely forged? You think the DNI and CIA Director got fooled as to the credibility of the intelligence, but not you, you know the truth? That sounds pretty insane.

        Occam’s Razor: largest employer in a tiny area, terrorist group is extremely popular in that area, some of the employees are accomplices and co-conspirators to that terrorist group?

    • doctorcrimson@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      10 months ago

      Half of the budget that was cut was from the USA alone, about 29% of their annual, only 9 nations withdrew funding total.