• NotAPenguin@kbin.social
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    We are animals who happened to mutate to be able to thrive with and without meat, we’re omnivores.

    If we are animals and killing animals has nothing to do with morality I can kill you with no consequences and without feeling bad yeah?

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      You are trolling at this point. You simply can’t compare killing for food to murder.

      We are predators by nature, and there is no way you can deny it. The human intelligence has helped us evolve better tools for both hunting and farming.

      We have mutated to be better hunters and predators, apart from being also better at not being one. But the first part will always remain.

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      Like I said, why you do it and how it’s done matters. What’s your reason for killing me? For this discussion of course.

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        Let’s say I thought your corpse would taste good and provide me with sustenance for a while and I killed you painfree and instantly.

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          Then that’s not a good reason. “Because it’s good” doesn’t justify the kill. For survival? Sure, I’d give that a pass, even though I’d defend myself. I would understand the situation. And people have done this.

          If you have this “no-kill” stance for animals, you need to have it for everything, including insects. I’m not saying you don’t, because I don’t really know, but I do know that’s often overlooked or ignored.

          A life is a life.

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            It’s literally the same argument you’re using.

            You don’t need to eat animals for survival.

            I don’t kill insects on purpose.

            Yes a life is a life and shouldn’t be wasted because you think corpses taste good.

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            A life is a life.

            Plants too are living beings. Cutting them, letting them starve without their roots, dissecting it in various parts to be sold…

            Why don’t we think about it? Are we so extremely sure plants don’t feel any type of pain, not even a much different pain that animals can’t understand?

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              We have to survive on something, and at the very least we choose the least-sentient thing we can find to eat. Plants do have a nervous system, but they don’t have a brain. Or a centralized brain, anyway.

              We don’t know if plants can feel pain, but we definitely know that plants respond to damage

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                Completely true. But it also shows how the need for anyone and anything to survive always comes from hurting something.

                Nature is, de facto, unfair. A prey will struggle against a predator, much like when something else is a “predator” to something that most of the times cannot more or respond.

                There is simply no way of not causing harm ever in all processes of producing food, especially without heavily reducing the quality of life of many humans.