This is so strange. How can people have so little empathy for the lives of innocent people?
Israeli citizens are subjected to daily propaganda (e.g. “there are no civilians in Gaza”, “Hamas is ISIS”, “Hamas wants to murder all jews”, etc.) to legitimize their fascistic policies.
There are a lot of parallels to the US short/y after 9/11.
Same textbooks are being referenced.
“Closest, special” ally and all that jazz.
Religion
It’s part of Israel’s propaganda to make this about religion to invoke irrational “War on Terror” sentiments in people who haven’t looked into it that deeply.
In reality, they’re dehumanizing and targeting all Palestinian Arabs, including Christians. Hence the shooting up and bombing of churches along with everything else.
Some of them are Kahanists but I don’t think religion figures into their motives as a wider group except for scapegoating purposes.
Fascism
You just need to convince people that the “innocent people” are not people
They convince themselves.
I don’t think the Israeli consented to being brainwashed by Hasbara.
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Well to quote the Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
They think Palestinians are subhuman. Israel has become the evil it once fled.
It amazes me officials can speak like this, yet there are also the widespread reports of organ theft (esp. skin and corneas removed from bodies). Even some reports of blond babies being kidnapped from their families because they’re assumed not to be Arab. Where is the cognitive dissonance?
A lot of people’s hearts are too full of hatred to hold anything else.
Hatred : Heart :: White Bread : Stomach
5% of the population is psychopathic. Folks forget this stat. They also forget that moral competence exists on a spectrum, so that even regular people are capable of great evil, especially in service to their religion.
Maybe they should have a number tatooed on their arms to remind them?
/superdarkhumor
I think they may be viewing it as more of an act of defiance and retribution for the rave hamas murdered all those innocent people at. If you view it as an isolated thing happening during a “war” then it really makes no sense.
It makes no sense anyway. Hamas murdered innocent people so they want to …murder more innocent people.
It makes perfect sense. It’s not constructive, effective or helping to move towards any kind of resolution of this conflict, but on a personal level, it does make sense.
I think, as far as regular people go, at this stage both sides in the conflict are primarily motivated by revenge. We can dress it all up with fancy words of occupation, injustice, national self defense or whatever your chosen flavor of ideology is in this conflict. But for regular everyday people in the region the primary reason why they want to see the other regular people die is revenge.With that logic doesn’t that makes hamas targeting Israel civilians makes perfect sense since they are living under colonization?
Yes, that’s how it works. Neither side are frothing-at-the-mouth insane, they’re actions make sense to them under their limited perspectives.
@chillhelm I guess. There are probably plenty of ordinary humans who empathise with other civilians there too, it’s just we don’t hear so much about those.
I knew a woman whose husband was held prisoner by the Axis during WWII Her response was to go every weekend to a POW camp of “enemy” soldiers and bring them food, chocolate etc, since they were in the same situation as her husband. That, is also part of human nature, just not the side the war monger$ like to encourage.
That is really the tragedy about the whole thing. A small warmongering minority on both sides pulls in people who really just want to live in peace and safety and have enough to eat, a roof over their head,… who are likely the vast majority on both sides.
Yeah I think so. We get told it’s about “religion” but it’s really about geopolitical interests and a transnational military industrial complex that constantly stir this stuff up and exploit religious tensions.
It is about religion in the sense that religion makes it much easier for a small number of malicious people to control a large number of people and make them do things against their own interest.
Well put. The warmongers kill innocent people. The next of kin want revenge, and empower the warmongers on their side. And onward the circle turns.
It also doesn’t help that the warmongers control the flow of information.
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How the fuck is hamas prolonging the genocide, fuck outta here
What are they afraid that they’re going to throw loaves of bread and first aid kits at Israeli soldiers? Knock it the fuck off
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This is a difficult problem to solve.
Starving the entire population, half of which are children, is an inhumane solution. If it is too effective, it becomes the final solution.
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@DdCno1 I wonder what they imagine the hostages are eating.
What is happening to the hostages when they are being bombed by that psychopath Netanyahu.
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@DdCno1 I would much rather stagnation than genocide.
At least 1.5% of the population of Gaza has been killed in under 5 months.
To put that into perspective, in the Bosnian Genocide 3% of Bosniaks were killed in a process which took over 2 years.
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It’s only a genocide if the west disagrees with it.
Genocide has a pretty strict definition.
But yet the West refuses to apply it to Gaza, which clearly qualifies…
As a member of the West™ I can say pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to sees it that way.
Then you obviously have not spoken to anyone in charge.
All religions are shit. Humanity really needs to shed this primitive baggage already.
It’s not about religion. It’s about settler colonialism.
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Don’t mistake “reason” for “justification”, or “excuse”.
Where do you think “settler colonialism” came from? Directly from religion, it’s just a secular name for what religion has been doing since inception.
Early zionism came from secular jews. And christian ethics actually ran counter to manifest destiny.
The search for wealth and power does not come (automatically) from religion. Look at all the peaceful religions and all the violence done without it.
Bad people will do bad things, sure, but if you want good people to do bad things, you need religion.
That’s actually someone’s quote… So I wish You give them credit
I’d actually argue the opposite. Religion reigns in bad people. Talk to a religious person, wait until you hear them say something like, “but if there’s no god and no afterlife, what’s to stop people from murder and rape?” That’s all that’s holding them back from total anarchy, the threat of eternal suffering and damnation, only for some it’s still not enough.
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I find it interesting when people say this but ignore any wrong doing or suffering caused by secular or atheistic regimes.
LMFAO 🤣😆
Communism=Atheism?
Not how that works buddy; but good try.
You’re very good at strawman. I didn’t say communism is atheism. However, you’ll find that many communist regimes were atheistic. I’ll give an example for atheism and secularism.
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The USSR had an atheistic regime, which caused a lot of suffering for its people and surrounding countries they took over. They also didn’t like religion and wanted to get rid of it. (https://www.history.com/news/joseph-stalin-religion-atheism-ussr)
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All the secular colonial states that have taken over other countries. Plus, the issues that continue to this day. Take the middle east for example and the lines drawn on purpose to keep the region destabilized. Or take francophone Africa which to this day suffers from Frances control over the region through dictators.
That’s not straw-manning…
Ok… I think You’re forgetting every other war and crusade that was driven by religion. Most of colonialist states were religious.
I don’t deny there was crusades or that there was wars inspired or motivated by religion. I never said anything of sorts in my original comments. You’re only assuming it.
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Nobody is defending marxist / leninist / maoist or any Communist regime that got people killed… Not even the atheist.
Good try though
I didn’t say they are. Good try though
A bunch of terrorists
All the righties in any other situation would be screaming that protesters blocking a road should be run over.
I don’t really agree but perhaps we should respect their wishes this one time. 🤔
All the leftists in any other situation would be applauding protesters taking direct action.
I don’t really agree but perhaps we should respect their wishes this one time. 🤔
It seems hypocrisy depends on context, doesn’t it?
You think I care about some little masturbatory gotcha play, but no - innocent people are suffering and these fucks are trying to keep them from basic necessities like food, water, and medical supplies that have pointedly and explicitly destroyed by Israel - fuck em, take em out.
Apples =/= oranges, no matter how hard you try to run circles around it.
Like I say, hypocrisy depends on context.
You’re using a tragic situation your own little masturbatory gotcha play on right wing on what right wing people say about your protests. Interesting how you thought that was ok, isn’t it? 🤔 🤔 🤔
If the protesters in these other situations were blocking fleets of ambulances and firetrucks you might have an equivalency.
I suspect every country has their MAGA. And the problem is when it gets to big.
I think when people feel survival precarity, its easy to get into their head they have to hoard what they got from the Others.
That figured pretty largely into the story of Sodom, it didn’t end well, albeit by deus ex machina.
The problem also exists when the middle is content, asleep, or paid off.
The media want us to believe that the Problem with Israel is the far right government, while in reality it is the whole fucking Nation.
I have known a number of actual Israelis. The majority just wants to live peaceful lives.
This is definitely the MAGA side.
The polls show that Israelis still overwhelmingly support what’s happening in Gaza.
They seem to believe that the only way to live in peace is to kill all Arabs.
The majority just wants to live peaceful lives.
Problem is what do we define “peaceful lives”. You and I think it just means being able to go about our daily lives and just that, but Israelis have been drowning in propaganda. It’s like saying “Americans just want peaceful lives right after 9/11/” Sure, but what they think will get them their peaceful lives is an armed invasion and genocide. It was a popular enough view to get Bush reelected.
If they allow it to continue to happen then they also share blame.
If you despise the infamous Nazi prision guards, you need to despise the Israeli that does not speak/act against genocide.
Your social media feed wants you to think that, but the reality is that these protesters are the far right ultra orthodox types that vote for parties that are the furthest right of the governing coalition. Yay for proportional representation where you can form the government by making a coalition with the furthest right parties, right?
It’s really not. It’s incredibly rare for a whole population to agree on anything.
Chances are these are their equivalent of MAGA.
Well put
Can anyone provide further information?
Kerem Shalom crossing: Israeli protesters hold up aid trucks to Gaza
TLDR: According to Israelis all Palestinians are Hamas so they’re justified in killing them through starvation.
It seem to me like it’s a thing that zionists have done more than once?
The New Arab - Israelis dance, camp out at Gaza crossing while blocking aid for Palestinians
Yeah all I see is a group of people dancing next to a street…
Edit: to the down voters, I was merely describing the information that was available in this thread at the time, which was none except the video. Now that OP has provided sourcing that supported the claims in the title, I am satisfied. Don’t trust everything you see on the Internet, unless there is a context that support what is claimed is what I am saying.
Yeah, the article from the BBC should have been posted alongside the video, rather than someone linking it 4 hours after the initial post.
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Any link to the source of this photo? It’s interesting.
It’s on the wikipedia page for Plato’s allegory of the cave. Have fun. People misuse the term “Plato’s cave” a lot
A “rave” in the barest sense of the word. That’s got to be the shittiest “rave” I’ve ever seen in my life, and I was barely coherent or intelligible through most of them.
I get the odd flashack of my jaw sticking a foot out in front of my face and RGB haze on everything. So much fun back in the day. :)
That’s not a rave. That’s fascists celebrating preventing aid for people who they hate because they believe in different skydaddies
Link broken. Lots of catbox links don’t work it seems.
Strange I just clicked it and it still works for me. Try this twitter post maybe?
That worked, thanks.
Looks like a shit party lol.
Works fine in Liftoff
Doesn’t work for me still, in either Mull or Mulch browsers on my phone. Catbox.moe does work, just not the mp4. It’s probably mp4 support in my browsers.
This rave is glowing in yiddish.
Hamas killed festival goers! The festival goers:
