ā€˜Iā€™m proud of being a job hopperā€™: Seattle engineerā€™s post about company loyalty goes viral::undefined

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    10 months ago

    Companies get mad when the employees look at their jobs the way execs look at their employees. Cue outrage. The only reason they mad is because they own the newspapers, too.

    The audacity of these removed. I have a mercenary outlook on work too. If you love me, keep paying me good.

    Iā€™m not loyal to anybody, Iā€™m a demon / I have no loyalty for anyone, never did, never will

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      Iā€™ve been practicing the mercenary method for about 5 years now. Since then Iā€™ve significantly increased my salary and Iā€™ve been a lot happier at work. That on top of learning to say ā€œnoā€ has improved my career life exponentially. NO loyalty. No unpaid overtime. No going above and beyond for a company that isnā€™t going to return the favor.

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        What about when they do return the favour, though?

        As someone who has spent a fair bit of time on the other side of this issue, Iā€™ve found people tend to assume Iā€™m being shitty even as I am actively going out of my way to accommodate and support them.

        One time I moved someone from hourly to salary because he was very receptive to guidance and was learning very quickly - essentially I didnā€™t want him to be compared on hourly terms as his pay increased, since the cap for more independent salaried employees was much higher. I was kinda risking my own ass in doing this since he had neither experience nor education, but I saw incredible potential, and felt it made sense. As part of this, to ensure he wouldnā€™t be shortchanged by the conversion, I had payroll add 5K when they switched him. I expected this would be well received, but he had so many concerns that made absolutely no sense. We got through it, but in the end it seems he thought that all of the extra time I was spending personally to teach him a new role and help him get from ~40K to 100K within a year and a half was something to be wary of.

        I have many stories like this. Sometimes when I feel hurt by people Iā€™ve been so loyal to, I get urges to stop being compassionate and stop prioritizing their concerns so heavily. I donā€™t think Iā€™ll ever change, but it is extra exhausting to go through this stuff over and over only to be lumped in with folks who do treat people like shit.

        Perhaps the model is just fundamentally broken, and thereā€™s no way to win as long as there is any sort of power differential in the relationship (implied or otherwise). More and more I feel that that is what Iā€™m up against, and no amount of concern for an employeeā€™s wellbeing will ever be able to overcome this.

        So, my question is not rhetorical - I realize this isnā€™t my post, but Iā€™m super curious about othersā€™ perspective on this: are you open to the idea that at some point in your career someone might actually care about your wellbeing? Will it matter to you, or just ā€¦ get whatever you can, and never stop trying to fuck the system?

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          Iā€™m currently at a job that just leaves me alone to do my job and gives me opportunities to learn new skills as they present themselves, none of these extra roles have came with a pay raise, but I havent had an OK paying job in YEARS where I actually look forward to showing up to work the next day (which I do feel about this one). There are different things a job can provide once the bills have been paid, and Iā€™m sure SOME of your fellow co-workers/employees notice you giving a shit about them

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          I think the answer to this is actually fairly simple. When the bossman tells me somethingā€™s in my best interest, Iā€™m just immediately suspicious. Like I know in your example it maybe is, youā€™ve laid out your logic and all of that. But you have to realize that for every good boss, thereā€™s probably 15 bad ones. Western economic, labour systems and power structures have been so lopsided for generations, that itā€™s literally hard coded in us to be suspicious. Whenever someone comes at me from work with a big smile and excitement, my flags FLY to red alert. Because Iā€™m statistically far more likely to be on the raw side of the deal.

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          If I truly felt a company, or someone at the company, cared for me and my career Iā€™d have no problem putting in the extra effort. Unfortunately it is a rare occurrence and most of the time decisions are revenue/cash flow related and it doesnā€™t matter how much a company cares. At the end of the day, no matter how good things are where you work, itā€™ll always come down to the bottom line and what value you provide vs what you are costing the company.

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      Weā€™re soldiers of fortune weā€™ll fight for no country but weā€™ll die for good pay. Under the flag of the greenback dollar or the peso down Mexico wayā€¦

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      Iā€™m fine with my reports taking better offers if theyā€™ve got em. I donā€™t get how these people get hired though. When I see these resumes that flip jobs every year, I immediately just kinda figure itā€™s a waste to invest time in this person.

      • GrindingGears@lemmy.ca
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        I look at it differently. Itā€™s my job to invest in, and create an environment that people donā€™t want to ever leave. Itā€™s a two way street. If people are only hanging around for a year, something is up, and it probably ainā€™t their fault.