learning all that stuff to clean windows is like replacing reddit with another privately-owned publicly-traded alternative instead of lemmy.
the same problems will keep returning over and over. in this case until next update. i’m old enough to remember these issues going back to the Vista days and its only gotten worse.
Windows has issues, but so does Linux. My personal experience with Fedora (Silverblue) has been fairly good with minimal hassle (Gnome Software breaks sometimes with auto updates, but is leaps and bounds ahead of the Synaptic days). However, someone using other hardware, another distro, or using other software might have a lot more problems to contend with.
There’s a lot of case-by-case nuance that in my opinion makes broad switch from A to B recommendations less meaningful than discussing the pros and cons and letting people decide on their own whether Linux could be useful for them.
yes, it does have a different set of advantages/disadvantages. i’m talking specifically about bloatware and privacy problems. looking for competition and alternatives is a good thing.
hardware support isn’t perfect on windows either and can always be worked on (and it is!) when the entity behind it doesn’t have financial incentive to enshittify their software.
the important part is that we don’t have ONE financially motivated entity with all the control.
dismissing it as ‘a broad switch’ ignores the fact moat people use windows just because its whats there despite its shortcomings. we should be pushing for it.
When going from Windows to Linux, all of the tradeoffs are involved. For me what I don’t like about Windows outweighs the pain points of my choice of Linux distro, but for some they’d weigh the sides and Windows still comes out on top.
Anyway my take is that Linux is better ideologically, but for the average consumer who justs want to use their favorite apps, Windows works fine and they’re not really going to care until Windows piles on enough garbage to make switching worthwhile.
I was under the impression we were talking about power users though. isnt this thread about how to debloat Windows? I’m talking about specifically people taking their time to learn and debloat Windows. Thats a huge difference.
Average consumers put up with an OS riddled with ads because they don’t know any better, not because Facebook and Zoom wouldn’t work.
Even then if you swap it out for Linux, most average people will adapt to the UI and then not see much difference. Average people use apps that are all on Linux one way or the other.
I guess it kind of depends. Not really sure what most people actually use, but for those who use MS’s services, Office web isn’t great, and Skype for Linux is rather temperamental. A lot of games work under Proton, but not all.
My perception of “average user” is probably skewed towards being not technical enough to troubleshoot on their own, but skilled enough to run through a tutorial of what keys to press. For someone used to Windows, patching things up is simpler than learning all the ins and outs of a new OS.
I don’t disagree that most people would be fine using Linux, but there needs to be a compelling reason why Linux would be significantly better, or else the switching cost makes it not worthwhile.
Linux is better for a lot of uses but it has to be much better in order for people to actually want to switch.
Or it has to come preinstalled on computers. Maybe the cost savings alone would be worth it to people. This happened in the past in my country and you still see many normies who prefer Linux.
how so?
learning all that stuff to clean windows is like replacing reddit with another privately-owned publicly-traded alternative instead of lemmy.
the same problems will keep returning over and over. in this case until next update. i’m old enough to remember these issues going back to the Vista days and its only gotten worse.
(Not the person you replied to)
Windows has issues, but so does Linux. My personal experience with Fedora (Silverblue) has been fairly good with minimal hassle (Gnome Software breaks sometimes with auto updates, but is leaps and bounds ahead of the Synaptic days). However, someone using other hardware, another distro, or using other software might have a lot more problems to contend with.
There’s a lot of case-by-case nuance that in my opinion makes broad switch from A to B recommendations less meaningful than discussing the pros and cons and letting people decide on their own whether Linux could be useful for them.
yes, it does have a different set of advantages/disadvantages. i’m talking specifically about bloatware and privacy problems. looking for competition and alternatives is a good thing.
hardware support isn’t perfect on windows either and can always be worked on (and it is!) when the entity behind it doesn’t have financial incentive to enshittify their software.
the important part is that we don’t have ONE financially motivated entity with all the control.
dismissing it as ‘a broad switch’ ignores the fact moat people use windows just because its whats there despite its shortcomings. we should be pushing for it.
When going from Windows to Linux, all of the tradeoffs are involved. For me what I don’t like about Windows outweighs the pain points of my choice of Linux distro, but for some they’d weigh the sides and Windows still comes out on top.
Anyway my take is that Linux is better ideologically, but for the average consumer who justs want to use their favorite apps, Windows works fine and they’re not really going to care until Windows piles on enough garbage to make switching worthwhile.
I was under the impression we were talking about power users though. isnt this thread about how to debloat Windows? I’m talking about specifically people taking their time to learn and debloat Windows. Thats a huge difference.
Average consumers put up with an OS riddled with ads because they don’t know any better, not because Facebook and Zoom wouldn’t work.
Even then if you swap it out for Linux, most average people will adapt to the UI and then not see much difference. Average people use apps that are all on Linux one way or the other.
I guess it kind of depends. Not really sure what most people actually use, but for those who use MS’s services, Office web isn’t great, and Skype for Linux is rather temperamental. A lot of games work under Proton, but not all.
My perception of “average user” is probably skewed towards being not technical enough to troubleshoot on their own, but skilled enough to run through a tutorial of what keys to press. For someone used to Windows, patching things up is simpler than learning all the ins and outs of a new OS.
I don’t disagree that most people would be fine using Linux, but there needs to be a compelling reason why Linux would be significantly better, or else the switching cost makes it not worthwhile.
I wholeheartedly agree with your last point.
Linux is better for a lot of uses but it has to be much better in order for people to actually want to switch.
Or it has to come preinstalled on computers. Maybe the cost savings alone would be worth it to people. This happened in the past in my country and you still see many normies who prefer Linux.
I have switched from Fedora to Ubuntu to Gentoo, and I had almost no issues on any of them.
If you have issues with Windows you need to solve using CLI, might as well just learn to use Linux. It’s nowhere near as bad as people remember.