What absolute wankers! In case anyone’s adblock goes south, here are some YouTube alternatives:
For Watching YouTube
For Uploading
- PeerTube
- Idk, make a video blog or something.
For Android:
Newpipe or Tubular (Newpipe X Sponsorblock fork)
VueTube (still under development, the team is working slow because it’s pretty small, they have a few time to spend on it and they need devs, it’s a complete FOSS alternative to Vanced, and will have most of its features including optional Google log in with interactions)
If you need to login and have a full YouTube experience: Revancedapp
I quite like SkyTube, too.
I haven’t tried it, but it’s cool there are more alternatives.
LibreTube is very good as well.
I tried it and I still prefer Newpipe, but it’s cool to have a lot of alternatives for everyone!
Newpipe is perfect for me, been using it for months, now when I want to watch a video, I don’t wind up watching whatever, I have a more purposeful experience.
Yes, Newpipe works great, I use both because I want to interact with my favorite creators and share my history and lists with the PC so I’m forced to log in, so the best option for that is a patched YouTube app like revanced (I used to use vanced until a few months ago when they definitely killed it).
No revanced? I’ve been using it since vanced broke with an older update and it’s been working great for me
PeerTube is awesome. Also its federated with lemmy!
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This is something I wanted since I have discovered Newpipe. Thank you, it’s very nice to have something like this on desktop
That’s pretty cool, actually! Nice work!
Thank you! Is Invidious going anywhere? I saw something about a DMCA takedown from YouTube.
I’d be surprised if Google completely stamped it out. They’re on Codeberg now, so that’ll make takedowns trickier. It’s also distributed, so taking down the Invidious websites is virtually impossible.
Also, while Google probably has pretty good lawyers, I’m not sure how well they’ll stand up if they go to court.
The official reason they gave for the takedown is also false. They claimed that invidious is using the youtube api without permission, which it isn’t.
mpv is not a crime!
The one thing the Reddit exodus has taught me, is that I’m almost eager for a reason to ditch my social media and either find something new or simply take back that time and do something more fulfilling anyway.
I’m so much happier not being constantly blasted with advertisements, that now when I have to go back on insta or FB for whatever reason, I can’t stand more than 30 seconds before I nope back off.
Looking forward to axing YouTube from my life next.
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I just watched Wendover’s video on how they built Nebula. Most of the content I watch is on that platform, so I’d be happy to just ditch YouTube if they move forward with this.
I just watched Wendover’s video on how they built Nebula. Most of the content I watch is on that platform, so I’d be happy to just ditch YouTube if they move forward with this.
I left FB and Instagram about 3 years ago. At first I felt sad because I was “disconnected” from my large network of hundreds of people I know or have met. The truth was the majority of these “friends” weren’t actually participating in my life at all. Those networks for most part were just allowing for some sort of passive consumption of our lives and when I had finally left, it was great. The hour or so I would spend trying to “keep up” with everyone was given back to me and it was refreshing to catch up with friends because we actually get to catch up.
Recently though, I spun up an instance of a private social network just for my family using a web app called HumHub. There’s about 20 members and we use it just for our small family. No outsiders, no ads, no spam, just us. It takes me back to a time where social media was simple.
Relevant Tumblr post
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The real mvp
PeerTube’s turn now :)
This doesn’t make any sense to me; people who are determined to go out of their way to get something (like an adblocker) will just continue playing cat and mouse games.
It’s like a game of chess, google can pull a stupid move but devs and users will always work around it.
And also, are people who are determined not to watch advertising going to be the ones that cave and buy some crap if you can force them to watch it?
Exactly - If anything ever happens to permanently disable my ability to block advertisements, I’ll drop that service cold and never look back.
I’ve seen it explained this will just hurt the metrics by which companies measure as effectiveness. Funny that another evil will be the one to tackle this one.
I don’t think google cares if you buy stuff or not. They are just selling ads.
But I agree with overall idea: if the ads become unavoidable, I’ll just stop watching youtube.
What if… We all got YouTube Premium, is Google then earning more or breakeven, when they cannot sell or display ads? I mean, there are companies paying Google to display there ads, that revenue would be gone.
They are still going to sell your data even if you get Premium.
Companies are going out of their way to ignore the fact that “the easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” - Gabe Newell
I consider adblocking to be in the same boat. Piracy/Adblocking only exists because it’s not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. By making the free version even more intrusive ON PURPOSE, they’re not pushing as many people to buy a subscription as they are pushing people to install adblockers. If YouTube only ever showed a quick 10-15 sec ad at the very beginning of a video, I’d be less inclined to go out of my way to find and install an adblocker (and maybe even eventually just buy a subscription) than if they force feed me back to back, 30-second, unskippable ads.
It’s the same with those stupid fucking commercials that run ALL the time and try and be as annoying as possible. If I find your ad to be annoying and frequent and shoved down my throat all the time, I will vehemently and actively go out of my way to AVOID that product, not be more inclined to buy it.
Decreasing the convenience of ad blocking, makes the subscription more convenient in comparison.
A percentage of people will genuinely sub from this, they don’t exactly lose any bandwidth from those who don’t.
No built in sponsorblock automatically kills it for me.
Maybe an unpopular opinion here… but checking my stats, since buying YouTube premium my account has watched over 50 days worth of ad free video content.
Now whilst I wish more of money went to the creators themselves, I can’t pretend I don’t get value out of the subscription. Especially compared to something like Netflix.
I have 6 subscriptions and YouTube is the last one I’d consider cancelling.
I signed up via Turkish VPN and the TRY currency has only dropped since, 60 TRY is only $2.30 pm for a Family Plan.
I prefer to do ublock origin/sponsorblock + patreon. Gives the creators a bigger cut and I still don’t see ads. I’m currently at $15/mo across all creators but judging by Louis Rossmann’s video on lifetime ad revenue per user it doesn’t seem hard to offset any loss from ad blocking (iirc he said it was like <$1 of ad revenue for your lifetime of watching a creator). So I feel pretty good about giving most of the channels I watch casually $1/mo, especially when patreon’s cut is so much smaller than youtube premium’s.
How have you seen more than 0 minutes of ads? Ublock blocks them
I have ublock on my desktop but for me with a wife and kids who who have their own devices, the TVs in the house etc, the convenience of never getting ads on any device is really good.
And for me personally I don’t mind paying if I get value in return, and I do.
That’s more a benefit for them than you though. I think people are more asking what’s the benefit for users with the know how and willingness to implement what features they want for themselves.
I think there’s a moral issue in giving youtube money.
I’d love to hear your view. I haven’t really considered it.
They are already harvesting all our data, so it’s not like they aren’t getting anything out of us. And it’s not like paying them opts users out of being tracked either. So what exactly is the benefit to paying a data harvesting company that isn’t going to stop, and users are what provides them that info they need in the first place. Including their attempts at AI search that will rely on users to train it.
I do wonder how the subs get split. Like is it just a bonus based on general stats or stats of users paying?
For me I use the phone app and on a TV so not having to setup extra ad blocking nonsense is nice. I also watch it all the time and do want to support people making content. I’ve done the Patreon thing some and tried to bounce around who I was giving a few dollars to. More convenient if the YouTube sub just benefits the people I’m watching.
My understanding is that for free users watching your content you get a percentage of the ad revenue. But views from premium subscribers earns you a flat rate not dependant on advertisements, and that flat rate is higher than what you’d get from an ad supported view.
The general consensus is YouTube is still greedy with the split , but at least they are offering more from a premium view.
The real question is if creators still need to do that dystopian self-censorship to avoid being demonetized on the subscription money even though there are no advertisers who mandate advertiser-friendly language or content.
If they will actually do that, I’ll pay for a subscription. To Nebula.
I actually pay for Nebula already and it has been great so far for me. I use it a lot more than Youtube and you don’t need to sift through a bunch of garbage to find something decent to watch. They just need to add more content creators.
What percentage of yt creators are over there? I pay for premium, but yt is literally my primary video media consumption so I get value out of it. I also use yt music as my streaming service.
Not that many sadly and from my understanding you need to be invited by them to join. There is 240 currently if it loaded and counted them correctly for me. They have a list of them here. It works for me because a lot of them make exactly the content I am interested into, but might not work or you or anyone else depending on taste.
It would be the same for me. Most of the channels I watch advertise Nebula, unless they advertise Floatplane. With these two I would have >90% of my Youtube watch time covered.
What percentage of yt creators are over there?
Of all creators on YT? A tiny fraction. Less than one hundredth of one percent.
Of the creators that I personally watch? Probably about a quarter to a half. Most of my favourite urbanist channels, excellent history and news channels, lots of amazing media criticism from a variety of angles. And some very fun game shows.
Nebula isn’t actually trying to be a general competitor to YouTube. It’s curated to be high quality content creators. To a pretty good extent, you can guarantee that if they’re on Nebula, they’re a good creator—maybe not to your personal taste (there are plenty on there that I have no interest in), but at least good in their niche. All their creators are part owners of it (in a meaningful way, not in a “one share out of a company with millions of shares” kind of way), so they only let in creators that they think they can trust.
And all that, for a price that’s less per year than YouTube Premium is for just 2 months. For me, it’s a no brainer.
I just gave them som pund hoppfull youtube will shut up now. Some Egyptian pund you see 😏 (2.13$ a month)
Google can be counted on to make everything worse at all opportunities.
Corporations in general. Reddit with their API prices, Adobe with their montly subscription for rotating pages in the Adobe Reader, Netflix with their lockdown on account sharing… Capitalism yay!
Everyone’s out for their pound of flesh and man, does it hurt. 🥴
Well, at least we can count on them to cancel this initiative in short order.
don’t be evil
They got rid of that motto years ago, and it’s been quite a ride ever since.
They didn’t, it’s still at the very end of their code of conduct.
Really? I just remembering that it was a big deal with they dropped it. Maybe it’s still there but no longer the motto?
Can youtube not try to fuck people over for 5 minutes?
Can <insert basically any corporation> not try to fuck people over for 5 minutes?
Welcome to capitalism
I’m not super opposed for paying for a product or service that I use, but the cost they are asking is just too expensive for me. Not that I can’t afford it, but for the 16/month or 23/month for family doesn’t meet my personal value/service.
Just buy from another country. I pay about £4 a month for mine via Romania
I pay $2.30 pm for a Family Plan via Turkey.
Mine comes out to about £1.40 a month using Turkey. It’s really low, but honestly that’s the amount that feels worth it to me.
Not that it’s a massive difference, but it’s $11.99 if you sign up on the web. The $16 is if you sign up on an iPhone, since that has to go through Apple’s subscription service where they take a cut.
Thank you, didn’t know that.
For mobile,and I believe pc, newpipe or libretube on fdroid,or their respective websites. Front ends for YouTube,ad free(libretube strips in video commercials too),and totally free. For fdroid tho,enable repositories and add https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/ . its the best way to watch YouTube,imo
When YT Premium first started as YT Red they were trying to make original shows like Netflix and Amazon. AFAIK they’re not really doing that anymore, so the break even cost of an ad-free experience should be significantly lower.
Weird it’s $12 a month for me but nahh that’s still too much
Try revancedapp.
Even if it were affordable, eventually it will go up. The subscribe-to-everything trend in business right now is pretty clear. Pretty soon we’ll see subscription-based clothing.
Might as well already be there with the state and quality of fast fashion.
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It’s definitely not ideal, but since YT has become my primary video media content, and it’s also my music streaming services. The cost has value for my family.
I am technical enough to get things like revanced installed, or others. Even for our set top boxes.
The amount of energy truly prevent tracking is endless. For me premium does pay the content creators more for my views and I don’t see/hear any platform ads.
It’s not ideal, but every other streaming service you sign into is profiling you too.
Inside my house/Network I do run pihole, and I use brave browser and it’s shield, as well as unlock origin.
Ideal? No, I’d rather everything be free but that’s not reality
Time to go to PeerTube. (federated! Bonus)
I am constantly on YouTube. I have a stable of creators I follow and watching them has replaced the time I would have spent on other streaming services. It’s how I chill.
So I signed up for YouTube Premium and watch it on my TV with no ads. I have no complaints. I get full HD videos, streamers get paid, YouTube gets paid, and everyone is happy.
I mean, that’s great and I’m glad you’re happy with that but:
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This is a privacy forum and that is the opposite of privacy. Every video, like, click, and comment you submit is still used to profile you. There’s no opting out.
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I love watching YT videos but the actual interface is fucking horrific: I can’t filter out the garbage I don’t want to watch like Shorts, podcasts, and live videos. This would be very simple for YouTube to ad.
They hijack my search results if the video I’m looking for is not in the top 5 to show me more “suggested” videos.
My home feed, instead of showing content relevant to my interests that I’ve expressed using likes and subscriptions, is full of garbage clickbait and videos I already watched 1 time 8 years ago, and the same fucking videos that are already in my subscription feed. It’s ridiculous how bad they are at this.
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If I’m paying for a service I expect to not see ads and YT premium does nothing about in-video ads.
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The actual creators are paid a tiny fraction of what YT is, despite providing the vast majority of the value. And YT treats them like garbage anyway.
When there is a competing subscription service that solves these problems and works well, I’ll be happy to sign up for that. Until then I’ll keep using LibreTube and YT can eat a Weiner.
- That happens whether you’re subscribed or not.
- Sort of agreed, not really relevant to the parent comment though. 3+4. You can’t have both “no ads allowed in-video” and “creators are paid a majority share of the money we make serving the video”. YouTube was (and still is if I understand it correctly) barely profitable, and if it is profitable right now I’m sure it is because of the worst kind of data-mining.
It is way harder to provide an effective platform for content than it is to deliver actual content, especially as effort/content has close to zero effect on vitality/attention/profitability, while the aspects we want in a platform (especially in regards to privacy) are entirely unprofitable. As someone who uses adblock and generally dislikes the corporate aspect of YouTube I at least has to acknowledge that YouTube has to make money somehow, and that in-video sponsors seems like a win-win for everyone involved, especially when you can skip them pretty much effortlessly.
Normally I wouldn’t even comment this shit, but as we are (hopefully) part of a shift to actual community driven platforms (fediverse in general), I think we have to aggressively discuss how to monetize these platforms enough that they don’t actively drain the wallets of the people maintaining them, and this is a very relevant aspect of that discussion.
Hopefully not too ranty, extremely inebriated.
- That happens whether you’re subscribed or not.
- Sort of agreed, not really relevant to the parent comment though. 3+4. You can’t have both “no ads allowed in-video” and “creators are paid a majority share of the money we make serving the video”. YouTube was (and still is if I understand it correctly) barely profitable, and if it is profitable right now I’m sure it is because of the worst kind of data-mining.
It is way harder to provide an effective platform for content than it is to deliver actual content, especially as effort/content has close to zero effect on vitality/attention/profitability, while the aspects we want in a platform (especially in regards to privacy) are entirely unprofitable. As someone who uses adblock and generally dislikes the corporate aspect of YouTube I at least has to acknowledge that YouTube has to make money somehow, and that in-video sponsors seems like a win-win for everyone involved, especially when you can skip them pretty much effortlessly.
Normally I wouldn’t even comment this shit, but as we are (hopefully) part of a shift to actual community driven platforms (fediverse in general), I think we have to aggressively discuss how to monetize these platforms enough so that they don’t actively drain the wallets of the people maintaining them, and this is a very relevant aspect of that discussion.
Hopefully not too ranty, extremely inebriated.
- That happens whether you’re subscribed or not.
- Sort of agreed, not really relevant to the parent comment though. 3+4. You can’t have both “no ads allowed in-video” and “creators are paid a majority share of the money we make serving the video”. YouTube was (and still is if I understand it correctly) barely profitable, and if it is profitable right now I’m sure it is because of the worst kind of data-mining.
It is way harder to provide an effective platform for content than it is to deliver actual content, especially as effort/content has close to zero effect on vitality/attention/profitability, while the aspects we want in a platform (especially in regards to privacy) are entirely unprofitable. As someone who uses adblock and generally dislikes the corporate aspect of YouTube I at least has to acknowledge that YouTube has to make money somehow, and that in-video sponsors seems like a win-win for everyone involved, especially when you can skip them pretty much effortlessly.
Normally I wouldn’t even comment this shit, but as we are (hopefully) part of a shift to actual community driven platforms (fediverse in general), I think we have to aggressively discuss how to monetize these platforms enough that they don’t actively drain the wallets of the people maintaining them, and this is a very relevant aspect of that discussion.
Hopefully not too ranty, extremely inebriated.
YT can eat a Weiner.
I think this is the most important thing in this whole thread
- That happens whether you’re subscribed or not.
- Sort of agreed, not really relevant to the parent comment though. 3+4. You can’t have both “no ads allowed in-video” and “creators are paid a majority share of the money we make serving the video”. YouTube was (and still is if I understand it correctly) barely profitable, and if it is profitable right now I’m sure it is because of the worst kind of data-mining.
It is way harder to provide an effective platform for content than it is to deliver actual content, especially as effort/content has close to zero effect on vitality/attention/profitability, while the aspects we want in a platform (especially in regards to privacy) are entirely unprofitable. As someone who uses adblock and generally dislikes the corporate aspect of YouTube I at least has to acknowledge that YouTube has to make money somehow, and that in-video sponsors seems like a win-win for everyone involved, especially when you can skip them pretty much effortlessly.
Normally I wouldn’t even comment this shit, but as we are (hopefully) part of a shift to actual community driven platforms (fediverse in general), I think we have to aggressively discuss how to monetize these platforms enough that they don’t actively drain the wallets of the people maintaining them, and this is a very relevant aspect of that discussion.
Hopefully not too ranty, extremely inebriated.
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I’m in the same situation, and I agree. I even got the premium lite plan for 7€ which I find really reasonable with the quality of the content and the amount I watch. I’d rather pay YouTube and content creators than Netflix or Disney anyway.
I’ve blocked their ads for years. I support content creators by buying merchandise and with Patreon.
After hearing about this, I’ve decided to give YouTube Premium a try. It seems like an easier and more consistent way for me to support creators. I watch YT almost daily, and get a lot of value from it. I hate ads and refuse to watch them, but Premium users don’t see them.
I wouldn’t blame anyone for walking away from YouTube over this. But for me at least, this was kind of a no-brainer.
I know Google tracks users and targets us with ads. I’m deep in their ecosystem anyway, and rely on their services for work, hobbies, and managing my data. I am stuck with them, unfortunately.
I do block what I can (Meta, Microsoft, Amazon) with Pi Hole and browser extensions. But there’s no total escape from an internet footprint, short of dropping off the grid. I’m dependent on Alphabet to live my lifestyle, for better or worse.
The biggest pain with premium is how prevalent in video ads are. Not fun to pay and still see ads anyway.
I wouldn’t mind if they were right at the start or at the end. But they’re always either 30 - 60 seconds in or in the middle of the video and so many of them are over a minute.
If we’re lucky, in time (and with enough YouTube premium subscribers) the need for YouTubers to have 3rd party sponsorships will decrease.
Why would creators ever say no to more money?
Because ad spots don’t fit in well to videos. And they are a pain to negotiate and often (depending on the partner) limit what can be in the videos.
Yeah, but come on man, at the end of the day video makers won’t care and why should they. They aren’t exactly making art over there.
I get that people have to get payed somehow. But without public funding, it is always going to devolve into some kind of shitshow.
… that’s why YouTube premium is a thing. Over 50% of the monthly subscription is distributed among the creators you view in a month.
Okay, but I dont want to pay any of them.
I realize that this is a catch22, but this is where we are at. I really only want to view footage from creators that are willing to give it to me for free without ads. Youtube provided a technical infrastructure for that for about two decades, and it looks like they can’t anymore. Fine, but it has clearly been proven that we as a society can make this happen, and I will patiently wait for it to be a thing again. Or I will find something else. But I am not paying a monthly subscription.
Honestly, if I could pay 800 dollars for lifetime access to YouTube, I probably would. Weird right? Thats like 8 years of YouTube premium all at once. YouTube might even shut down in 8 years. But whatever, its not my job to figure these things out and honestly I’m unbothered by it. At the end of the day, I am confident that intwrnet based media will emerge stronger from this.
At the end of the day it is about honesty - are you a small creator reading an ad because that is how you support your business, or are you a large faceless corporation giving me free shit so that I will unknowingly be bound by a EULA that is designed to be impossible to understand, all for the purpose of trying to extract money from me later? Ill take the former, every time.
Sponsorblock can help with that … if you’re watching through something that can use it.
If we’re lucky, in time (and with enough YouTube premium subscribers) the need for YouTubers to have 3rd party sponsorships will decrease.
I know this is really bad. And I know they need to make money somehow. But on precedent I just refuse to pay for YouTube premium, having been there since the beginning. Before adverts started showing, and everyone predicted they’d plague us with ads until charging you to get rid of them.
Also a part of me refuses to believe Google can’t afford to run YouTube without adverts.
If we’re lucky, in time (and with enough YouTube premium subscribers) the need for YouTubers to have 3rd party sponsorships will decrease.
If one of your reasons for using YouTube premium is “streamers get paid”, you should probably look into things a bit further.
The vast majority of YouTube premium revenue goes towards music publishers who, statistically, don’t have any relation to the content you watch, and contribute nothing towards it.
The content you watch likely still has embedded advertising because YouTube has some of the worst, if not the worst, rates paid to people who actually create the videos on their platform (this means there’s no such thing as “ad free YouTube” without using an ad blocker, even if you pay for premium)
I also use YouTube music instead of Spotify or Apple so I am fine with music rights holders getting paid. I haven’t seen any ads on my premium and I have had it for years and use it on my laptop, tvs, and tablets. The only ads I see are the sponsored segments in videos that not even an ad blocker can block because it’s part of the video done by the creator themselves.
Sponsor block is pretty good for those. But yeah I’m also a YouTube premium member for similar reasons, also had a Google music sub back in the day that converted over.
check out a Firefox extension called SponsorBlock. It’s updated by users but is pretty current and can be set to skip past self promotion and in video advertising.
Just hate that some browsers in app can’t find my login on android and play the ad rather then running the YouTube app.
I mean, is this surprising? Long-form video is actually decently expensive to serve and other platforms have a subscription model.
Not paying youtube a cent until they remove all the transphobes and quit blasting people with their shit ass bigoted content. I’ll pirate and ad block just to spite them every step of the way. Make your bed with fascists, lay in it.
