The Netflix live-action adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender seems to completely misunderstand the themes of the original animated series. ✔ SUPPORT ✔▶Pa...

Didn’t watch it yet, as I’m only 2 episodes in and Idon’t want to taint my first view too much.

But from what I’ve seen of the show, I understand how they reach this conclusion. And Jessie Gender usually has quite a good grasp on these things.

Edit: Kind reminder that this post is for sharing/discussing the video, not for dunking on the Netflix adaptation.

Edit2: Watched it now. Spoilers for the first 2 episodes and light spoilers for the rest of the live action show, season 1.

  • tree@lemmy.zipEnglish
    491·
    9 months ago

    It’s a very good and thorough analysis, pretty much every live action remake of everything falls into the same trap of cutting substance/context in favor of having “cool” fight/action scenes. Unless an adaptation is extremely faithful to the original it will devolve into what kind of cool visuals can we do and then the actual substance of why those things happen and the point the writer was trying to illustrate is lost.

    Also very insidious for the show to not include Saka putting on the Kioshi warriors’ costume because it would be seen as promoting drag/cross-dressing in kids media, that is one of the most memorable parts of that episode and it makes no sense not to include it other than to be as marketable as possible. Makes me wonder how the one piece live action will deal with it when they get to it, whether it’s the director’s choice in this adapation or something top down from the current netflix execs.

    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      411·
      9 months ago

      They left the kioshi warrior dress part out? Aw man, that was one of the most important moments for Sokka’s character. I never recognized that as drag before now.

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
        241·
        9 months ago

        Yeah. I hated how they cut that part.

        They replaced Sokka’s character growth with teenagers wanting to fuck. (they even added a scene were both of them lie on top of each other while training and then blushing) 🙄

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
      252·
      9 months ago

      The thing is: The action is not even good. They have Netflix money and are adapting Avatar. A show which deliberately coded different martial arts techniques to different elements and went into great detail to properly animate all the martial arts styles.

      And then they refuse to choreograph proper martial arts! Sorry, Lady Kyoshi, could you please stop waving those CGI effects around so we can see some fucking martial arts, for Christ’s sake?

      • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
        271·
        9 months ago

        Ehh… the benders do a lot of hand-to-hand fighting. Like actual martial arts fighting. In the middle of bending, when they get really up close.

        The bending not being martial enough is not one of my complaints.

        They just murdered all the characters imo. Aang is a caricature of a children’s show protagonist, giving “life lesson” speeches at the end of every episode. Katara is a perfectly caring and thoughtful wise woman. Sokka is extremely understanding and open. Zukko is hurt but from the get-go is made out to be “actually a really good person”. They are all basically flawless besides minor issues of self-doubt.

        All the major character development beats were just removed… Aang hearing the council speak of removing him from Gyatso’s care and running away before Gyatso comes and says he will never let that happen… Sokka being bigoted and learning to be more accepting by seeing the world… Iroh being aloof, wise but distant, and learning to be more honest (with himself) after losing Zuko, and that he must be an active person in the world after meeting the Gaang. Zuko being misguided and cruel, and learning to connect with who he was, his mother, after losing everything once again…

        I hate this remake man. It removes all the best parts of ATLA, and doesn’t put in anything new or better in their places.

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
          31·
          9 months ago

          Don’t get me wrong: The biggest issue i have is with the writing. However, the original show was a blend of great characters, amazing worldbuilding and stunning martial arts animation.

          I figured that if I didn’t enjoy the writing, maybe the martial arts were a bit better and I could enjoy those.

          But you can barely see what the fighters are doing because of the quick cuts. Watch the dojo scene in the Matrix and compare it to the fighting In the Netflix show. Simply no comparison.

          And I get that this is done with children. But that’s what body doubles are for.

        • Spacehooks@reddthat.comEnglish
          21·
          9 months ago

          When they said “remix” maybe they meant of the “movie”. Flipping show is done just make minor edits here and there fans didn’t like or wanted and move on or just go full ember island players.

          • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            9 months ago

            Imo, you just can’t make changes for the worse. That’s just it. Make changes, but for the better. Or differently good. But never for the worse…

            • fckreddit@lemmy.ml
              4·
              9 months ago

              I don’t think you can remake show like ATLA for the better, because the OG show is pretty much perfect. They can only remake the show for money, which by definition makes it worse.

                • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  1·
                  9 months ago

                  All I ever wanted was to see the grown-up Gaang… And we’re getting that! As an animated movie!

                  Like THAT is what the people want!!

                  • Spacehooks@reddthat.comEnglish
                    1·
                    9 months ago

                    I kind of wanted Ang to be chill for the rest of his days cause I felt like he earned it but we all know that’s not what happened. Maybe even slice of life epilogue we got in lord of the rings.

                    Lol but I want to see more avatars. Like there’s got to be 50 at least with no impact to orignal story.

              • novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
                3·
                9 months ago

                It could be different… I’m not an overly skeptical person. Different things can be good.

      • WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world
        24·
        9 months ago

        What on earth are you talking about? The different styles are clear as day. Of course when you get an avatar you’re going to get a lot of CGI, what did you expect? Kyoshi winging around ribbons on a stick?

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
          51·
          9 months ago

          I’m not talking about not doing the element effects with CGI. I’m talking about shooting some martial arts so that you can actually see what’s going on. You know, like the original show did.

          Or maybe something like they did in the Matrix movies. Competent shots of martial arts, enhanced with CGI elemental effects. The fight scenes in the live action version are boring.

          • WidowsFavoriteSon@lemmy.world
            24·
            9 months ago

            Boring? Really? Because you can actually see the different styles of martial arts being done. I guess you’re just used to all the pizzazz and twirly shit.

            • Prunebutt@slrpnk.netOP
              1·
              9 months ago

              I’m sure the actors put a lot of effort in the martial arts scenes. It’s a shame I can’t see shit with all the cuts they do.

              Compare these scenes with the Matrix movies’ martial arts scenes. Or Jackie Chan movies, or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Or ATLA/TLOK.

              You never see the motions play out and cut away too quickly, the fight scenes just get tedious to watch.

              I guess you’re just used to all the pizzazz and twirly shit.

              Umm… Have you seen the martial arts styles the original show used?