Hi! sorry for the random topic 😅
Youtube keeps getting more and more annoying. Is there a good other platform where to migrate? If people were to migrate, where would they go?
the thing I liked about youtube is the massive amount of content, and knowing that if I upload a video, it’s really easy to watch by others. I like the ability to follow channels too.
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I thought that said PeeTube for a second and thought, “Wow, did they pivot.”
I mean Lemmy is the poop part of the Fediverse, would make sense for there to be also a pee part
Dude…please lmao
Also have had some solid results with https://odysee.com/.
Not a fan of how corporatized it has been getting.
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I want to see these platforms try make money. It’s a video hosting platform. It needs to be sustainable.
Yeah, this is why Twitch and YouTube are still really the only competitors in their space (let’s be real, Kick is dead in 2 years)
Google willing to run at a loss to dominate the space is the reason there are no other video hosting sites.
This tactic is used too much in business. It’s a bullying tactic, since it’s artificial growth, and it results in a monopoly.
As @mizu@lemmy.world said, the software PeerTube exists. However, due to the extreme costs of video hosting, a general purpose PeerTube instance does not exist. It would cost alot for video storage and more importantly moderators to ensure content is not illegal.
Maybe if we all paid @ruud@lemmy.world like $20/month we could get PeerTube.world
What we need is for PeerTube to use ActivityPub for the searching and listing, but something like Bittorrent to distribute the load of the content delivery.
I believe that’s already built into PeerTube. The p2p (torrentlike) aspect that is.
You are literally describing PeerTube.
Isn’t that exactly how peertube works? https://framatube.org/w/kkGMgK9ZtnKfYAgnEtQxbv
Haven’t read up on PeerTube, but I imagine that you would still need to keep a copy of the video stored somewhere centrally if you don’t want it going away when no one is watching it anymore, so even if p2p can help reduce bandwidth costs, you still have storage costs.
It would be nice if peertube had an integrated subscription/payment method so you could support and subscribe to content you enjoy.
There is Nebula, but it requires a subscription. However, all of the creators on it are part owners, so you know they get a better deal than whatever YouTube is giving them. Well worth the $50 a year to me.
I really think this sort of youtuber coop + fediverse is the best long term solution.
Since hosting videos is expensive and many youtubers rely on youtube for income, I think paying to watch makes sense, especially if it’s reasonably priced with a large cut going to the creators like with nebula. The main downside is that it’s hard to imagine most people switching to a subscription based service, so creators will still have to rely on youtube for discoverability.
I keep seeing YouTuber mentioning it. I didn’t know they were part owners.
Wendover Productions who is also a part owner has uploaded a great video about the topic recently:
Second this, as of right now Nebula is the only service I know which is even remotely comparable to Ytb’s scale… unfortunately is behind a paywall and is mostly only for infotainment content. Peertube is getting there but not yet. And ofc we don’t talk about the O site.
If a creator is on YouTube and nebula I’ll always watch on nebula because they themselves say they make so much more per view. Plus, no sponsors. So same video but they cut that part of the video. Legal eagle’s videos end with extra final thoughts and a thank you for watching on nebula instead of a sponsor segment.
Frankly, there is nothing close to YouTube’s scale.
It is the online teevee at its finest except google is already heading twitter and reddit route so people need to start supporting some competition.
Nebula and odysee appear to be the current available alternatives; however, i haven’t tried them.
I feel like floatplane is the only alternative that is a realistic business model though it’s ever different than YouTube
Being realistic here, there’s no worthwhile competitor to youtube at this point in time. You have some stuff like odysee, LBRY, peertube etc. However, the amount of content on them is basically nothing compared to youtube and there’s little incentive for creators to move there due to how difficult it would be to monetise your content in those places.
My best pick would be invidious which is a private & ad-free yt frontend that uses it’s own API and doesn’t need JS. I already use it all the time. It’s good.
TT frontend that uses its own API And doesn’t need JS
How is any of that possible? Can you explain?
- how can it deliver content from YouTube without accessing their APIs?
- how can it be a functional website without JavaScript?
I am not sure but possibly the HTML5 features such as the video tag are sufficient to let the browser offer basic media playback capabilities without requiring JS.
I need to check out invidious, been trying to put some stuff on peertube …
It’s just a YouTube front end and they’ve been having difficulty showing videos as of late.
iirc, one of the few alternatives actually endorsed by content creators [Wendover is the only name which comes to mind right now, probably because they are involved in creating it] was Nebula
Odysee is probably the biggest one, with a lot of creators having their youtube synced with it. Peertube is also an option, but I’ve never used it.
Never heard of it, but I’ll definitely check it out
Odysee was acquired by Google in 2015, so it’s unfortunately another corporate-run greed machine. PeerTube is decentralized though.
The company That Odysee used to own Odysee.com because the company Nimbuz had a product of that name, an android app for video and image backups. That product was acquired by Google.
Odysee, which now owns Odysee.com is the video platform being talked about here, and I see nothing online about it being related to the old Odysee in anything other than name.
This is totally untrue, why spread these lies?
Source? I can’t find anything to back this up
I use Odyssey most of the time, they make it very simple for creators to mirror their YouTube content so I like to support the ones who have.
I’m sure I’ll get roasted for this, but just get YouTube Premium. As much content as people tend to consume on YT, I don’t know why it’s the only platform people seem so against paying for. YTP views are worth more to content creators. There’s no ads. And you can get YT music with it too. Honestly, it’s just a massive amount of content and nothing even comes close. I know the joke is “who would pay for YT Premium”, but, at least in my house, it gets like 10x the use of Netflix and Hulu.
I find it too expnsive 😭 maybe Im just poor hahaj
If you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it. Streaming services aren’t cheap. That being said, if you get a majority of your daily entertainment from something, like a lot of people seem to with YT, then I think it’s worth the money. Like, it’s easy to think of YT and Google as these evil corporations, and they totally are, but at the same time, hosting video at the scale that YT does isn’t a charity, you know?
totally!
The vast majority of content my wife and I consume are on YouTube and Twitch so we get a ton of value out of YouTube Premium. I’m the only one I know irl who pays for YouTube Premium, but I also don’t subscribe to any streaming platforms except Spotify. I have Netflix free through T-Mobile but rarely use it.
As someone who was hesitant about YouTube Premium at first, I would recommend it, although I do wish they had a cheaper ad-free-only option (I don’t use YouTube music since I have Spotify). My motivation that put me over the edge was getting sick of seeing ads on my smart tv, since you can’t use an ad blocker on those.
The cheaper option is to sign up for premium from another country.
YTP views are worth more to content creators. There’s no ads.
This is false, and I would argue that YTP generates significantly less revenue for content creators than even a dollar donation would over hundreds of videos.
YTP, when I had it, was still serving ads AND using trackers, which is not something I want to pay Google for.
For context, I have a YT channel with 3+ million views and tens of thousands of subscribers. YTP generates 1% of YouTube revenue, while ads make up the 99% difference.
Most people will have a handful of content creators that they regularly watch. If you took the YTP amount and split it between those creators as donations, you’ve made them far more than YouTube ads or YTP ever could.
That’s my advice, as a content creator.
The only problem with this is that more and more channels are adding native ads to their vids, and YT Premium doesn’t bypass those ads
That’s on the creators tho, not the platform I feel like it’s not an argument against paying for the platform, at least not when there are plenty of videos that don’t do baked in sponsor ads.
Edit: if you exclusively watch content with baked in ads, I can see it from a purely consumer end point of view.
Check Out SponsorBlock for chrome, Firefox, Safari…
SponsorBlock is brilliant. It’s also integrated into the excellent SmartTube app for Android and Android TV, which also hides the normal ads, even if you don’t have premium
Oh yeah I was referring to YouTube on TV. Gotta try smarttube next, last I checked it didn’t exist then
Lots of good suggestions already, but if you have to stick to YouTube, you could always use a third party client. FreeTube for desktop and Newpipe for Android. They function great. You don’t need an account and can organize and export your history and subscriptions, it’s a much better way to interact with YouTube than the official methods. Newpip even allows for background playing.
Thanks for the recommendation, I didn’t knew about freetube
Unfortunately, freetube development has gone stale and i keep getting random errors every now and then. I started using piped recently, but all their instances are now rate limited… so hopefully someone will pick up freetube development again (or release a similar client for desktop, perhaps based on the pipeextractor)
Aw I didn’t realize that. It still works fine on my end. I get warning notifications in my windows VM, but everything still works. On Linux everything runs smoothly no errors. I think newpipe on Android is my most preferred implementation of a third party YouTube viewer so I’d love a desktop version of that.
Doesn’t ReVanced still work?
Yes! It’s wonderful!
It also kills reddit adds in the official app. That said, I’m not sure how much I’ll use it at this point… Still, I like having the option loaded up!
You can use newpipe app
Yes it does.
I use it every day. Works pretty well if you patch with the recommended version, but it’s not perfect. Still good enough to daily drive tho.
Revanced
Odyssee is the closest thing but I still mostly use YouTube with adblock
Did you hear they’re trying to crack down on that?
Yeah if it happens to me, I’ll probably just sign up to YouTube premium in Turkey or something 😂
PeerTube or Odysee.
invidious or odysse i guess? I usually just don’t use the main site/app, and If I do I usually make sure to patch the shit out of it or get extensions that get rid of the popups and bloated shit youtube has. revanced is a good way to find new stuff and get recommended stuff and freetube on PC is a good way to keep subscriptions without needing an account, especially because it allows exporting and importing in different formats. newpipe x sponsorblock on the phone is a great way to keep a proper playlist functionality.
I know at least one creator that started posting to Utreon, both public and for paid tiers. I haven’t went after them yet, but if Utreon would create something like Twitch Prime and pay creators for views, plus a bunch od other creators I follow would start posting there, I’d be happy to drop youtube for most dedicated (not-random-scroll-consumption) content. In favour of Utreon.
