I have been on reddit for just about 12 years now. Something I’ve noticed over time is just how hateful the place has become. A complete outrage machine. Every single sub became filled with it. I’ve filtered so many subreddits over the last few years, it’s insane. I don’t know enough about this place to be sure, but I do hope it doesn’t become the same type of echo chamber of anger.
About 10 years here. That’s why I had Apollo. I filtered out all that shit. Everything you could imagine. Hundreds of things hidden.
Eventually I had a home feed of crafts, patientgamers, every cat sub you can imagine, bread, and a bunch of other peaceful things.
Before that I was just so angry all the time and arguing with redditors. I won’t go back to all that.
Don’t know how one could possibly use the site without filters from apps like that or RES. it’s so chaotic.
Exactly why I refuse to participate anymore among a dozen reasons.
My partner liked specific communities there but kept getting recommended upsetting stuff (got sucked into AmITheAsshole in a bad way, etc) so I uninstalled the official app and installed Apollo instead and their mental health greatly improved. But healthy satisfied people aren’t profitable for corporations.
I have mostly good things to say about Reddit and the more I read about it, the more I realize that that’s just because I always connected to it through Boost for Reddit.
I haven’t used either but I think boost has a lemmy app. I’m pretty sure it’s made the same dev(s) but I’m not fully sure
This is the way. Though despite all that I started to keep my Reddit browsing a secret as the average person considers a “redditor” a pretty negative thing to be.
Tbh kinda glad in that sense that the API fiasco revealed the true colors of the company and gave me a very clear reason to leave. It hadn’t felt “good” in a long time and now I know why.
Though despite all that I started to keep my Reddit browsing a secret as the average person considers a “redditor” a pretty negative thing to be.
Damn, it didn’t always used to be like this. In the early 2010s, Reddit used to be a great conversation starter.
the average person considers a “redditor” a pretty negative thing to be.
Redditors consider a redditor a negative thing to be. It works because no redditor believes they are one. It’s everyone else who’s a part of the gross hivemind, not me. Reddit thinks this and reddit does that, but not me. I’m different and special. Not one of them.
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It’s also the case that several things can be true at once. Like, maybe you are part of the reddit mob-mentality, but on certain issues you have opinions that very much go against the grain.
I read the post the same way. In the few times Reddit has come up IRL I just ask, “Have you heard of Reddit?” Then it’s either yes or no then we move on.
No one in the real world gives a shit about being a “redditor.” Which to your point, means nothing.
Am I the only one who never looked at a general feed on Apollo? I would open the app which was set to open to a particular sub and then I would navigate back to the list of favorite subs and pick which one to check in on. I would prefer an app that shows me that list of favorite communities at launch but haven’t found it yet.
Definitely not. I would peruse Home for just a little bit, but mostly I’d swipe over and go to specific subs. The past 3 months I only logged in to upload chapters of a story. Reddit had become pretty stale for me.
As a European, the increasing cynicism and apathy to American politics of many users has made me really bad mood, maybe I should have cured my feed better, but now it doesn’t matter anymore as lemmy is my new home.
Same. Years ago when I first got on Reddit I was very politically active and my subs were a ton of political, economic, societal etc subs. But I just got sick of opening up Infinity and seeing nothing but doom and gloom as far as I could scroll. I transitioned away from that over time and at the end my subs were mostly cats, some specific TV show and game (meme) subs, and some niche hobby subs.
It was so helpful to block users, especially in my local cities subreddit.
Yep. I was more loyal to Apollo than to Reddit. I paid for Apollo premium but would not do that for Reddit. Also I hated the UX on Reddit’s website old or new. Now my issue with Lemmy and Kbin is to wait for an app that matches Apollo.
I feel like most of the comments were from people who were doing Internet as a lifestyle.i mean, I wouldn’t know a better way to get depressed and bitter…
I remember a while back when the first comment was always someone debunking the clickbait article headline with a good source and succinct summary. Redditors famously never read the article, but the comments were often better than the article.
Now, you have to scroll down half the page to find any original thought. You see dozens of people spouting nonsense or even defending nonsense because they…don’t want to be wrong?
One example: an image from the 50s displaying a child with their hand caught in a fire pull with a caption explaining that the device would trap the kid at the spot to deter pranksters.
The device was indeed designed to deter pranksters, and it would attach to the user’s wrist, but it would come free. So you would know the kid who did it because they have a thing stuck on their hand.
I recognized the device and had a video demonstrating its proper, safe function. People were still arguing with me.
Why would anyone want to put any creative/intellectual energy into a place like that?
That’s why I used third party apps and RES. When I left, I had filtered hundreds possibly thousands of subreddits
It wasn’t just Reddit. The entire world has become more hateful and more violently aggressive. I mean, even just wearing the wrong colored hat or having the wrong skin color is enough to get you literally killed anywhere you go. Nowadays it seems like everyone is competing in the Oppression Olympics.
do you think the world became more hateful alone, or it’s your own perception based in social media, or the social media changed the perception of a lot of people, making them hateful ?
honestly, i think the 3 poi ts are correctly, in it’s own way, statistic speaking violence was diminishing, it’s always was that, especialy with the evolution of society, media just made everything look worse, that maked people act more agreesively because everything was “falling apart” and media helped enhace this sentimentent too, like a snow ball, that’s what i think
It seems to me social media is making people more hateful. Anecdotal of course.
While I do think social media, and regular news media, paid a large part in shaping the aggressiveness of modern society, there is a lot to be said about other aspects as well.
Global economic collapse caused by multitudes of reasons, rapid decline in mental health, a massive extinction event causing all sorts of forever-lasting trauma, and more are continuing to contribute to growing aggression in society at large.
People want to tell you how much they suffer as if it somehow makes them superior or better. But at the end of the day, everyone is suffering, and that’s bad. All suffering is bad. I don’t go around telling people my family members died because of a past injustice, not because their stories or lives are worthless, but because saying my bad position in life is because of what happened to them is just me blaming my dead family members for my situation. Or blaming some invisible, long-dead boogeyman. Either way, the root of the problem is refusing to accept that its up to me to work to change my situation, not just give up and stop trying.
And this refusal is only amplified in echo chambers often found on social media, and news media. Now more than ever, people are seeking out confirmation bias articles, and refusing to investigate anything that doesn’t agree with their opinion because they decided that one biased opinion piece means that entire site is compromised.
This is a complex problem, that quite frankly, if it was ever to be solved, would take thousands of years to unravel and undo.
just wearing the wrong colored hat or having the wrong skin color
the first thing is something what you can easily change and when wearing it, you’re telling everyone who you really are, the second thing is something you are born with. It is silly comparing those two.
It’s not that silly. I’m a man. If I decide to wear a dress in public do I deserve to receive hate? Our identities and beliefs shape our actions and what we wear. It’s not so easy to draw a line between the two like that.
I was not talking about wearing a kind of clothing, but specific clothing showing your political and ideological of someone ways clothes with 1488 I will treat them like the Nazi he is.
Anyway OP said he was just wearing non MAGA red hat. So in that case I agree that was overreaction. In fact would prefer people did that so the association would disappear. I originally thought OP was taking about actual MAGA hat.
My dress communicates specific political and ideological beliefs. If I choose to open carry, that communicates specific beliefs. If I choose to wear a BLM T-shirt, that communicates beliefs.
It sounds like you’re perfectly happy to judge people by what they wear, so OP’s example is clearly apt.
Yes, if you wear BLM shirt you are telling everyone you care about racism and discrimination, if you wear Nazi shirt you telling everyone that you believe white race is superior to everyone else.
What’s so hard to get? Why I can’t assume your views when you are going out of your way making it obvious to everyone what your political stance is?
I was accused of being a Trump supporter and subsequently harrassed because I wore a red baseball cap, which had a baseball team logo on it, home from a baseball game that the team was playing in.
My point in mentioning both is that it such a stupid thing to get upset over (color of clothing), equally as stupid as being upset about someone else’s skin color. People that do either are clowns.
Ah, sorry then. That’s indeed overreaction. I thought it was an actual MAGA hat.
just wearing the wrong colored hat or having the wrong skin color
This is very much NOT unique to modern times.
The Blues vs the Greens is from ~500 CE. The Nika riots.
It was over chariot racing teams. We’ve been up in arms about everything since forever.
Uh you linked one of the times the blues and greens banded together against the emperor.
Also both those groups were funded by politicians, who had a vested interest in using them against their rivals. Hardly ever just sports.
A lot of those people are here too, trying to recreate that outrage machine
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The hate is starting to spill over to Lemmy. I just had to block someone because they decided to start insulting me. I am not going to tolerate that behavior on Lemmy. I barely tolerated it on Reddit.
Reddit was only good for porn and low-effort trolling.
Who told you the internet was a safe space?
I found a lot of Reddit was around “This person bad” for whatever of a million reasons.
And, of course I got downvoted for saying so on Reddit.
There’s always a few subs that get shoved un your face which are straight up the most racist shitholes ever. Lately, I got served a lot of /r/2westerneurope4u and it is absolutely disgusting literal /pol/tier
You should check out the Apollo for Reddit sub. I had to unsubscribe from it lol.
It was always like that, is the problem.
I never did become an app Redditor, like I never used Apollo or any of that, so I was always using whatever their production interface was on browser. For a brief time they were allowing us to create filter lists for r/All so you could attempt to browse that beast looking for interesting communities without the sea of porn and hate groups, then they took that function away pretty quickly, I guess we were using it too much.
Eventually, the truth dribbled out that investors were breathing down their necks for user growth at any cost, since there was no profit. This is why bullshit like Coontown, fatpeoplehate, and just endless constellations of far-right hate speech communities were allowed to thrive and grow during the entirety of the 2010s. So long as they didn’t do anything that put Reddit in legal jeopardy, Admin refused to chop off large parts of their precious user metrics.
This meant the rest of us dealing with a community where the Nazis were always in the walls, even if you were browsing subs about container gardening. Things like r/JusticeServed allowed populist hate groups to grow large and juuust barely mainstream enough that you could pretend they were something else. You were always tiptoeing around the hate groups, hoping that nobody in your container gardening sub posted something that would bring the Eye of Sauron upon you.
So, to be clear, it didn’t become hateful, it’s been like that for years and years. The rest of the internet was far more aware of it than I think the average habitual Redditor was, as far as they were concerned Reddit was just as toxic as 4Chan, but at least 4Chan is clever and influential, sometimes.
If you avoided r/All like the plague, and made a part-time job out of curating your experience, you could get a half-assed positive result that looked nice enough if you squint. It was true, there were some genuinely nice communities on Reddit - and they tended to be very practical in nature, like r/Excel - which didn’t attract chuds. Any subreddit which gave some fool a chance to bitch about things they didn’t like got big, fast, and ended up pinned to the top of All, where, again, anybody who wasn’t already a logged-in user would see it, festering.
The only reason Reddit has persisted for so long is that it basically stole away the user bases that once filled all the individual forums of the internet, and came to hold them hostage. It was chill circa 2011, before the Digg migration, before they’d even rolled out subreddits, yet. It got nasty fast as the userbase grew and it started to attract average folk.
The only thing that Lemmy has going for it is that lack of commercialization. To be very clear, the Nazis are already here. They move in fast. Stormfront was one of the first big sites on the internet, period. People avoided Mastodon for a long time because the last they heard that’s where the Nazis went when they started getting banned elsewhere. Whether it was true or not, the hate groups are already on the Fediverse.
The difference is that for now, we can block their communities from participating in our communities, which hopefully is enough. We couldn’t do that at all on Reddit, admin just ignored thousands and thousands of reports and always had the final say on everyone’s lives. Just don’t go around thinking that hatefulness is something brand new, you must have been working hard to ignore it for a long time. That shit’s been baked into Reddit for a decade.
I wrote this a couple of days ago here on my own feelings that reddit just turned all of us into such awful people and how much I hated everything about it but still can’t stay away from being a redditor.
It’s really long, I think it’s one of the best and worst things I’ve ever written. Give it a read if you’d like, I would really appreciate it.
https://lemmy.world/post/858027
I think my point is that we are not redditors anymore, we don’t belong there, and there is no place for hate or self-hate here.
And after being here, I’m honestly pretty indifferent towards reddit now.
It’s about 10 years ago they slowly began to forget their own reddiquette rules, 5 years ago they had almost vanished completely, although you can still find the rules on reddit, nobody upholds them anymore.
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette
Originally these rules were actually observed, not just by mods, but by users in general, and if you violated them, you were reminded.
Today most people on reddit don’t even know they exist, and the site has devolved more and more.
I absolutely agree in the hope the same doesn’t happen here.
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And this is the problem with “norms”. It only takes a handful of sociopaths who want to be jerks to break whatever it is.
I don’t consider sociopaths as norms. I think reddit turned a bit infantile along the way, children testing boundaries or trying to be edgy can be a huge nuisance.
No matter whether it’s “norms” or other groups, the only force that can hold a community civil long term, is good moderation. Without it any community is most likely to devolve.
That requires volunteers who care about the community. I think most people here are helping by not being asshats.
I think the user meant “norms”, as per the following definition:
norm
something that is usual, typical, or standard. “this system has been the norm in Germany for decades”
a standard or pattern, especially of social behavior, that is typical or expected of a group.
Thanks I misunderstood.
Yeah misunderstandings like this are the ones that people forget generate outrage and perceived hate.
Should we do something similar to reddiquette in lemmy? Lemmyquette?
Lemmalities?
Lemmy.world has taken the rules from their Mastodon, which are linked from the frontpage.
Lemmy is a more fragmented system than reddit, but so far the lemmy instances/servers I have seen have pretty good rules, with few exceptions, that have been defederated.
If lemmy gets really big, I’m guessing it will split into spheres of different rules. For now I’m happy with the rules of lemmy.world, let’s just hope there will be good mods enough to uphold them.
I meant more in regards to the naming, not the rules themselves ^^"
Relying on etiquette is a recipe for failure. You just end up with eternal September or worse.
Lemmaccords? Lemmytreaty? Lemmypact? Lemmygulation? Lemmymands?
Well, a lot of folks enjoy subs like TIFU, AITA. I think those subs are just people in first world countries posting their first world problems out in the open or I believe most of the stuff there is totally fake LOL. It’s hilarious both way.
As an immigrant who comes from a shithole 3rd world country, most of those posts on those two subs made me cringe. There WERE some interesting ones, but majority was like “bruh, I would love to make you live in my country for a couple of months” 😂
I hope those outrage porn subs don’t make their way here. If people want them it looks like Reddit will be open for a while longer. But I feel like it’s too toxic to have on Lemmy.
