• FuglyDuck@lemmy.world
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    Unfortunately that’s a fairly naive take that fails to consider how most people work in the US- hourly employees would be fucked by this.

    Retail, service, anyone whose not already working 9-5 office jobs; the reality is that they won’t loose pay, but they will loose hours. And you can bet your ass that companies won’t pay more to make up for it.

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        Yup. These “free market” folks conveniently forget that competition is bolstered when there’s a floor. An impartial referee to call balls, strikes, and fouls. A set of rules everyone has to play by, or they don’t get to play at all.

        Also known as regulation.

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      they lose hours but the hourly pay goes up, just like everybody else, no? I haven’t read the bill but I would be surprised if that’s not in there.

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        Companies already offer part time retail positions, and they are shitty about it. 39.5 hours a week to avoid the full time line.

        So in this 32h future they’d just offer 31 hour positions at a lower rate and still yank people around

        Edit: I was off on values. Commenter below pointed out 30 is the mark

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        First off, it needs to be noted that the only mechanism to do that on so large a scale is to increase the minimum wage.

        Which is how they did it in ‘38 when the work week went to 44, and in ‘40 when it when to what it is today.

        The problem is that company are absolutely going to pass that off to customers (aka, the workers… ultimately.) and so really all you’ve done, effectively, is put far more people onto minimum wage.

        Anyone who was above that mimimim? Gets the shaft.

        And people who now are on minimum? Working two jobs to pay for everything (like most people in the bottom quarter are already doing anyhow,) so they don’t really see reduced hours anyway.

        It’s well meaning and it’d be nice, but it needs to be done differently. Unions are strong now. Stronger than they have been since I’ve been working. Join a union. Make the change yourself; eventually it’ll get normalized without the above problems. (Also, better wages, healthcare, workplace safety and everything else Unions get you.)(don’t tell my boss’s boss that. He’s still buthurt from negotiating a new contract.)

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          The problem is that company are absolutely going to pass that off to customers (aka, the workers… ultimately.)

          News flash, they’re going to be raising prices regardless.

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            And they won’t tack that on, too, anyhow?

            Chances are they’ll pass on the costs, increase the price, anyhow, shrink products, and raise prices even more, and then blame the last three on the first.

            Exactly like they’ve been doing.

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                You’re the one bringing it into consideration…

                So… why are you bringing it up?

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                    I said they will pass the cost on to customers.

                    You they said they would raise prices anyhow.

                    I said (snarkishly) that raising rates is a separate thing than the cost of wages, and they’d still do it.

                    So you they said the point is they’re a still going to do the price increase.

                    You’rethey’re one that brought up the (totally separate) price increase.

                    (Edit, confused you for the other guy)

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      9 months ago

      From the article…

      The Thirty-Two Hour Workweek Act would also protect workers’ pay and benefits to ensure there’s no loss in pay, according to a press release.

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        Says nothing about loss in hours.

        Remember, when you’re paid hourly, you can lose hours and not lose pay.

        Unless the employment contract already has guaranteed hours.

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          Says nothing about loss in hours.

          I’m assuming that’s covered as a part of this…

          ensure there’s no loss in pay

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            And you’d be wrong. Companies would still be paying them at whatever rate they were paid at. Most jobs don’t come with specifically guaranteed hours, however.

            It’s a technicality, yes, but it’s also a very important distinction. They’re not losing pay. They’re losing hours. The consequence is the same; but short of minimum wage increases; there’s no mechanism for the US Government to dictate wages to individual companies. Particularly when they were never party to that contract in the first place.

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              If you are correct, then the bill won’t work, because it won’t have the support of all the hourly workers.

              I’m assuming that Bernie and Co are smart enough to realize that, so they would make sure any bill that they wrote would cover that scenario that you’re describing, and not just waste all of our time.

              That’s why I believe the part of the article I quoted earlier is factual, and covers what you’re speaking about.

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      I have no idea why you’re being downvoted. How would the government mandate a pay raise across the board? The government only has the federal minimum wage lever to play with. Somehow the law would have to say: all hourly workers must be paid 25% more. Would companies just increase prices by 25%?

      Now, I’m all for reducing the work week to 32 hours. I’m tired of spending most of the week working and only having to 2 free days (of which one is usually spent doing home chores). But I’m genuinely curious about how this would be implemented without causing massive inflation.

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        Raising the minimum wage to account for inflation would give a vast number of people a major raise.

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          Which has little to do with a 32 hour workweek, and can’t be done on its own even though it really should be done.

          Personally the minimum wage should be tied to the cost of living or increased along side CPI or some other useful inflation metric

          Simply a one-time jump isn’t going to accomplish all that much in the long run.

          Bring it up even to where it was along side inflation, (big jump,) and have an annual little jump baked in each year.

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            I agree, it has little to do with it. I was just addressing the idea that the federal minimum wage being the only lever to play would not have a massive positive effect on a huge percentage of workers.

            The AFL-CIO, which is only demanding a $15/hour minimum wage says that if it kept up with inflation, it would be $24/hour.

            https://aflcio.org/what-unions-do/social-economic-justice/minimum-wage

            Based on that, the bare minimum someone working full-time should be making is a little less than $50,000 a year. And if the government used that ‘only lever to play,’ and it would still be less than the $68k that is needed to ‘live comfortably.’

            https://thehill.com/business/4059025-an-average-american-income-may-no-longer-cut-it/

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              ive been reading a few things by the AFL-CIO, older stuff, I’d pay attention, though. (And 24 sounds about right.)

              I was chatting with the union’s negotiator (technically the enemy, but, whatever. We have a good relationship for that.) now that the new contract is ratified; he’s disappointed because he thought they could get more.

              I’m glad the bigwig negotiated they sent out fucked it up every which way. Got my people a much deserved pay raise and stuff.

              Seriously, corporations are freaking scared of unions just now. I hope this momentum lasts.