Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170

The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.

“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”

  • Aermis@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Dude I’m talking about ceceding kharkiv and Odessa to Russia which is what you are saying is a reasonable solution

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      8 months ago

      Have you ever considered that Ukraine is just an investment for the West? They’d rather have Ukrainians dying than their own soldiers. They don’t actually think Ukraine can win, only weaken Russia.

      This is what all Western military strategists are saying.

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        8 months ago

        Considering the crippling wheat and other exports Ukraine provides for the west, yeah, there’s a lot of reasons to invest into Ukrainian victory and survival. I’m not niave to believe the US cares about Ukrainian lives.

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      8 months ago

      They could hold the current borders for peace. That is the most likely outcome.

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        8 months ago

        Tell ya what, rent hasn’t been cheap. How about I come to your house and set a few things on fire and camp out in your living room and refuse to leave. I won’t hurt you if you don’t enter the living room, but I’ve claimed the whole room to myself. And you have no way of knowing if I’ll decide to take the kitchen next despite saying I won’t. Would you accept this? Because this is what you’re saying Ukraine should let Russia do to them.

        The only peace that can be achieved here is for Russia to be defeated and driven out of Ukraine entirely. Otherwise, all you are doing is enabling Russia to regroup, rearm and attack again for more territory.

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          8 months ago

          I recently read an article that states that maybe Putin kinda outwitted himself in the way that now even if peace could become a possibility this option will not be supported inside of the country because of how government positions are now appointed on the basis of being a war mongrel. Anyway, shit’s real bad and I’m glad I don’t make decisions for any side

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          8 months ago

          I don’t support Russia, but you need to be realistic.

          Who is going to be driving them out of Ukraine? Biden has refused to send the US military, and Congress refuses to send weapons.

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            8 months ago

            Ukraine will, with support from other countries, as they are now. We need more support for Ukraine, who has already done an excellent job stopping Russia’s progress. Ukraine can only get stronger with more support. Biden can’t send the US military because that turns into a full blown conflict between Russia and America, which would be worse for everybody.

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            8 months ago

            Also it’s an election year. Biden isn’t refusing to send support. Congress is.

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              8 months ago

              Biden could put boots on the ground tomorrow if he wanted to. The Commander-in-Chief has full control of military operations.