I mean, there could be. The government of Illinois could make it happen, they definitely outnumber ICE right now.

Authorized representatives of the state using force to arrest members of ICE for violating specific court orders and committing acts that literally everyone can see are crimes, doesn’t escalate to ICE randomly retaliating against every protestors as they’ve been itching to do (which is what happens if protestors start using force against ICE). Authorized representatives with a clear mandate from the people of the state, and the law, is a whole different narrative ballgame than trying to defend ourselves forcibly.

I legitimately don’t understand what the holdup is about arresting them (other than not being sure their exact identities, but that can be addressed for future incidents with some advance planning). I mean that seriously. It doesn’t make sense in all states or situations, but in Chicago, I actually think it does.

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Hoo fuckin’ boy

I do have to say that including Hyprland in the original post is silly. Hyprland had a problem with ignorant users making ignorant speech in their community, and they didn’t police it, and once a shitstorm started, they recognized their error and started trying. It’s fine. Putting them up top, and Omarchy which is literally lead-developed by an open fascist, down below, is weird.

Holy God it’s a shitstorm… reading

I just want to point out there is nothing true in this statement. No such thing as far-right in current government (unless you consider anything right of your beliefs to be far-right, which is just silly), and immigration is completely fine, currently. My wife is an immigrant and non-us citizen and we have many immigrant friends. They are only deporting criminals, illegals, people who have broken the law.

Fuckin’ hell man. (That quote is from nobody in particular, just some random user chiming in… but still fuckin’ hell man.)

nrp’s reaction in the reply chain mostly just reads like he hasn’t picked up what’s going on. He still thinks fascism is “a political view” instead of “an active threat that might come for him and people he cares about right now, into his house and his safety, that needs resistance.” I don’t think DHH needs to be in prison or anything unless he’s done something. I do believe in free speech. But yes, the time has come for boycotts, strikes, marches, strengthening the organizations that we’ll need as things continue to get worse. It sounds like nrp is just privileged enough living his tech life that he doesn’t grasp that, and he can’t understand what people are mad about here.

Nobody remembers Switzerland as unsung heroes of World War 2, because of their commitment to freedom of expression and commerce for any side without prejudice. They’re lucky they got away with it, to be honest.

Pretty sure there is a pretty generous window where you can just return the thing for a refund no questions asked. It might be worth looking into.

Depending on the wording of the return policy, you might even be able to request one and tell them the reason is “The far right has taken over the world’s biggest government and they’re snatching people in the streets. The time to hide support for them behind ‘everyone’s welcome to their opinion’ is over. If at this moment in history you’re not willing to exclude far-right people from your circle, then go fuck yourself, fuck your hardware, give me my money back, in hindsight people should have done this to BMW and IG Farben both before and after the war. I hope you wake the fuck up. You will not be safe indefinitely from them coming for you, unless people braver than yourself stop them before they reach you.”

Usually I am against bullying people into saying the political views or taking the political decisions you want them to take. You can think they’re wrong about this (as obviously do I, for the reasons stated above) and say so without needing to try to strong-arm them. But, in this case, fuck 'em, for the reasons stated above. Read the return policy first of course to make sure you’re on solid ground, I don’t really know what it is.

What’s this “may” shit

How are you coming to the conclusion that they are “someone qualified”?

Someone who is trans is automatically qualified, to a certain extent, to speak about trans issues. It doesn’t mean they’re always right or anything, but it means they start from a baseline of being worth listening to. If you are cis and just derisively shutting them down as far as trans issues, and giving these wild insults (I can’t even remember the context from the video but I remember it was bad) that have very little to do with anything they were saying, and just serve to try to tear them down and punish them so they won’t try to speak up again, then yes, you’re a piece of shit. To me there’s not a lot of context that could somehow “save” that.

Maybe there’s more to that interaction that you clipped out of the video - i have no idea

You haven’t watched it, have you…

For one of these, I actually did dig up the context. Stuff like that is important to me. So for the “I think you’re choking her” clip, I dug up the context and posted it. A couple of the Hasan stans actually swore to me that the likely outcome after that clip was that he would loosen the collar and all would be well. Because of course you would. Any reasonable person would, and is Hasan not a reasonable person?

Turns out the answer was no, he did not loosen it. He blamed the issue on her NECK. MEAT. and there was an awkward silence, and then the guest who has raised the issue wisely redirected away from the looming confrontation, and just dropped the issue and went back to what she’d been talking about, as if they hadn’t discovered an active issue of suffering in Hasan’s favorite animal.

You know, a normal interaction and normal behavior for a pet owner.

Interesting you list Chomsky as an example because he’s made exactly the same arguments about the Ukraine war as Piker was in that video.

What? These are totally different arguments. Chomsky says, more or less:

• The US in Iraq was far worse and more brutal than Russia in Ukraine (true)
• Particular countries want into NATO for economic reasons, not reasons of safety (I’m not qualified to judge, I have no idea, but it sounds plausible)
• The West doesn’t actually care about Ukraine, they actually want to draw out the conflict to bleed Russia for their own reasons which increases the suffering (100% agree, I actually frequently raise this point when it comes up, I think I’ve said it a couple of times on Lemmy) (and also I have additional elements to add to that which come from people who know a lot about the inner workings of US diplomacy, ask me what Dan Ellsberg has to say about it.)

That all makes sense. I might agree with it or disagree but it’s fine. What Hasan says is:

• The “rest of the countries of the world” or something like that, see Russia’s war in Ukraine as a strike against Western and US imperialism

That, in contrast, is a big bunch of horseshit.

Like I said, this is what I don’t like about Hasan. He’s just an idiot. He just says weird stuff, whatever comes to mind (“vibration collars are good for calling your dog back when she can’t hear you…”) but it lines up generally speaking with the geopolitical battle lines that some people like to draw, and so they support him even though a lot of times what he’s saying is just nonsense. He blames world events on CIA/Mossad the instant he hears of them, he waves around his shock collar with tape over it swearing it’s something else, he just kind of says stuff that’s on the right performative side, and to some people that’s enough.

I have no idea why you guys are taken in by this guy. You’re welcome to it, I guess, but he’s a pretty fucking bad standard bearer if you’re looking for leftist podcast people. What happened to chapotraphouse? Behind the Bastards? I haven’t seen them, I don’t know… like I say I just am not involved in this space, so I have no idea who to vouch for in it, but there has to be better out there than this fucking guy.

Also, I asked you a couple times: What should I watch from Hasan to get a good idea about him? I’m going to stop asking soon, but I am genuinely curious what his supporters would want me to watch as a good introduction. If someone asked me that about James Baldwin, Noam Chomsky, whatever, I would have something that I would want to share. You are not obligated to of course I guess.

To what end?

Okay, so I’m going to take that as you’re not going to try to argue with the idea that there’s strong evidence that he shocked his dog and then lied about it.

I have no idea why that would not be pertinent information for you to know about this man you seem to take seriously, but it’s up to you of course.

Anyone who watches this person regularly aren’t going to judge his character on the one clip

If I hang out with a friend every day, and then one day I see him punch a baby, then yes I’m going to judge his character based on that one interaction.

That’s separate from the issue that literally every clip I have seen of this guy makes him look like a piece of shit in some way or another. Like I say, I actually look more at the totality of what I’ve seen him do while interacting with Kaya in these clips and the overall emotional interplay at work, than I do indict him specifically for shocking her and lying about it. But yes, shocking her and then lying about it (which you suddenly don’t want to litigate… wonder why…) is very significant to me.

I fully acknowledged that it’s probably a one-sided picture created by his enemies, and invited you to send me a clip showing the other side of his character where he’s providing something insightful or valuable that I should be able to take on and make some use of, and you keep not doing it. So yeah that also makes me feel pretty settled in the conclusion about him.

No, i’m looking for literally anyone you think is a good representation of your geopolitical perspective that might better inform what you consider “someone who knows what they’re talking about”.

Oh, so a different thing from someone qualified coming in and trying to help Hasan understand and him treating them as the enemy and him and all his chat going on a wild tear of insulting them and tearing them down instead of spending even a moment hearing out what they have to say.

Got it. You should have said you were interested in that totally separate question. On geopolitics I like Noam Chomsky, Rachel Maddow, Al Jazeera, Bellingcat, Tim Snyder… kind of hard to list out individual people on the spot, but those are some random ones that come to mind who deal with global issues who I generally will trust their judgement because I’ve seen them be right a lot in the past. Almost any perspective I can appreciate as long as it seems like it’s coming from an honest place, but those are some where I actually feel pretty firmly aligned with the person’s viewpoint or the overall editorial viewpoint. Then there are specific people (Dan Ellsberg, John Perkins) who have some kind of unique insight into a specific element of geopolitics that I think is valuable to include in my overall picture.

I strongly dislike the reaction slop. This stuff is that, sure, and I’m only reacting to it because they seem like they’re bringing receipts, the topic is important, and the counterargument from Hasan’s side is so transparently dishonest that it doesn’t really convince me that he’s not guilty. But I’m limited to those people for my picture of Hasan, I think, because that’s the only ecosystem where he is really active and so those are the only people in a position to criticize him. That’s why I asked you for some of his exemplary work on geopolitics so I can take a look at it, and judge it in the same light that I would those names I listed earlier.

You’re welcome to, if you would like to. I would actually really like for someone from Hasan’s followers to try to explain why this post is not factually solid.

I wasn’t specifically talking about you. I just noticed that the initial narrative was dew claws and airtags, and then it was vibrating collars, and now it’s shifted over to 100% attacking the messenger and they’re not at all interested in talking about how it’s obviously an airtag collar and anyone who can’t see that is stupid.

I posted a video a little while back, of a trans person who came in Hasan’s stream and said that they disagreed with his handling of trans issues. He booted them from the chat and started these wild personal insults against them (as did a lot of his chat).

You know, like a perfectly reasonable person.

It’s somewhere in here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdCFycPw3fI

Like I say, the source of the information means nothing to me. It’s all untrustworthy. I would want to look and double-check a lot of the information first regardless (unless it was a highly trusted source somehow). Actually, for a lot of this Kaya stuff, I made sure to grab the source video where I could directly from Hasan’s pages, so I could look around and see more of the context (and be sure it’s not some kind of deepfake, although that seems highly unlikely.)

And yes, I’m probably getting a one-sided picture. Do you want to send me something which is Hasan making some really clear and important argument that I really need to hear? Or just his normal day-to-day coverage of the flotilla or the European Gaza protests that are going on right now? Happy to take a look at that stuff, too.

They were doing that, super vigorously, up until about a day ago when it became pretty clear that Hasan was lying. Now, all of a sudden, the identity of the messenger is the only thing worth talking about (and also why you keep talking about this, bro, I think you’re taking streamer drama WAY too seriously…)

Like this person in his chat who made an incredibly succinct comparison to highlight the error of what he was saying, and then he (a) missed the point completely (b) lost his shit:

https://files.catbox.moe/vpcdhp.mp4

Ha. I was going to find a place to post this one:

https://files.catbox.moe/vpcdhp.mp4

I still might. But I think I’m mostly at peace about the issue again, see my comment to anarchiddy.

not your woefully underrepresented distaste for a specific type of leftist commentary that piker happens to advocate for.

You’re actually 100% right about that. I actually forgot about this, but I talked about it here:

https://lemmy.world/search?q=hasan&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=15951251&page=1&sort=Old

I completely forgot about that stuff. He was saying that basically every country in the world except America was backing Russia in Ukraine. Something like that. I don’t fully remember (and I guess the post got deleted?), but yes, I think he’s incredibly ignorant about world issues, and incredibly hostile to anyone who does know what they’re talking about who disagrees with him, and then cloaks in in this shield of performative leftist anti-Imperialism in a way that garners him supporters without him needing to be worth listening to.

And in particular there’s a huge following that sees that he’s pro-Palestinian, and then they start supporting him, and that becomes a shield for any kind of wrong or toxic thing he wants to do. I’m pro-Palestinian. You’re pro-Palestinian. Hasan is pro-Palestinian. Bernie Sanders is pro-Palestinian. It’s fine. It is the only moral viewpoint. But he understands that in the modern left it’s this kind of trump card where if someone convinces their idiot supporters (like you, right now) to attack everyone who’s “against” him by implying that they’re ANTI-Palestinian, because what other type of person would EVER attack a PRO-Palestinian, they can literally get away with torturing a dog on stream and everyone will look the other way for them.

That’s why I compare it to small town Christian communities. It’s 100% the same. It is to a T. He’s the people who go out to eat after church and tip fifty cents. He’s the people who torment their stepchildren without mercy, are just blowhard pieces of shit on a personal level, but no one will say a word against them, because they’re PRO-Christian in a huge way and big names in the community, and so… you get the idea.

So yes, I have distaste for “a specific type of leftist community.” I honestly didn’t pay enough attention to Hasan before this to see it in any level of detail, I just saw that one video 2 months ago. And sure, maybe it’s fair to say that I should watch some of his streams that haven’t been cherry-picked to look bad by someone with malicious intentions. That’s completely fair, I really will do that. But honestly everything I have seen, including stuff that was cherry-picked by his supporters as a “gotcha” against my POV (when he was showing the dog collar on stream and explaining himself), has made me think he is pro-Palestine’s TV evangelist preacher, and y’all are the suckers who keep sending your retirement money hoping he’ll bring Gaza to the promised land, when all he wants to do is buy more cars for himself with it or whatever. Has he been covering the flotilla? Has he been burning up about all the protests spreading in Europe now? What’s he been talking about? I haven’t seen, maybe he is, tell me.

Honestly I appreciate this whole interaction because now I can see more clearly I think. Whatever was burning me up to interact about the topic of the dog-shocking (to this, sure, a little excessive degree) is gone now, I think, because the thing I was wanting to know or wanting to understand is resolved for me now.

Yeah, pretty much. Somewhere there is an interview where Pritzger expresses his frustration that the governor’s association voted to block federalizing the Guard under Biden for some reason or other, but is now hopping at the hurdle to do it for Trump and dragging their feet about giving Illinois some support or any show of solidarity, when any day now it could turn deadly serious with ICE snatching their elected officials or something.

I just like dogs. I think if he’s shocking his dog and lying about it, he’s a piece of shit. That’s about the end of it.

I think i said this before, what you’re saying is precisely the logic that tight-knit Christian communities use to protect sexual abusers who are highly placed in the community. It is 100% the same. “How DARE you say this about this person, don’t you know how much good they do, look what bad people their enemies are, you’re probably just confused by all those rumors out there, but it’s BAD people starting those rumors, and look what an important role they play, now I question if YOU’RE one of the bad people…”

I notice also that we only pivoted to “it’s all just drama from his enemies” “why are you talking about this so much” “you’re ruining Palestine with all this posting” after it become extremely objectively clear what actually happened. Before that it was all dew claws, close-ups of freezes from the stream, waving around vibrating collars on stream, that kind of thing. Now we’re all of a sudden in a landscape where there are much bigger issues at play aside from, did he actually shock that dog or not.

Either way, the situation you’ve dedicated the last three days to on this account is certainly not worth yours or anyone else’s time unless you happen to be personally invested in the relative influence of this specific political commentator.

I posted one video two days ago, then got a tide of incoming accusation and kerfuffle for a day and a half, and then earlier today I decided I would respond to a lot of the incoming hate-mail I was getting from Hasan stans by just posting a new video of something objectively illustrating that Hasan is actually a piece of shit to his dog, every time I got some kind of hate mail. This guy was the one that finally pushed me over the edge to do it:

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16741177

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16741569

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16740783

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16740913

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16748637

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16755963

And so on, there’s more, that’s about half of it. Anyway, I think about 75% of my posts today are in response to stuff like that. I decided it would be funnier to make a new post every time I got one of those, and respond to him with a link to the new post, instead of reporting him. And you know what? I stand by that decision.

(He’s also one of those “Kamala Harris would have been just as bad” people, if you want to aim some of that analyzing-political-motives around at anyone else. That’s one of the other comments he likes to copy-paste to people sometimes, check his profile.)

Fixed it to t= instead

The URL is linked to a specific timestamp, it’s at 5:45:25 if the embed didn’t pick it up or something.

https://piefed.social/post/1355245

I think probably going forward I will confine the new posts to that community for a while, I don’t see the need to be spamming main video communities with more than 1-2 Hasan posts at a time. But absolutely we can keep going if you’re into it! Let me know.

Couldn’t care less. Just as “But he’s Hasan, he would never do that!” doesn’t really mean anything to me, “But he’s a Zionist, he’s obviously wrong!” doesn’t either.

I didn’t really say anything about this video until I had a chance to go through Hasan’s stream and check it out and this is definitely legit. He bought a shock collar and then covered it up with tape to pretend it was a vibration collar. As far as I’m concerned that makes it about 100% likely that he also shocked his dog and lied about that, too. If the other guy’s a Zionist, then sure, he’s a piece of shit too (as long as it’s not one of those “Bernie is a Zionist” clever wordplay constructions where as long as he doesn’t literally want Israel destroyed, he’s a Zionist). They can both be pieces of shit. Hasan still shocked his dog and lied about it, and fuck him for that, whatever else is happening with whatever else.

https://piefed.social/post/1354201

Yes, there are bigger problems in the world. But then, there are bigger problems in the world than my post, and you’re out here worrying about it. Why are you so caught up in trivialities?