further details:

Meanwhile, the French financing will include commitments from the United Arab Emirates, American and Canadian investments funds and French companies like telecommunications firms Iliad and Orange, and aerospace and defense group Thales

A few days before France’s AI Action Summit, which kicked off on Monday, the UAE said it would invest between 30 billion euros and 50 billion euros in the construction of a one-gigawatt AI data center in France as part of a campus focused on the technology’s development.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/frances-answer-to-stargate-macron-announces-ai-investment.html

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    Macron, you stupid slut, there’s been nothing but news for the past month about how cheap you can build a competitor to the former top models.

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      Heheh, but reportedly, the hedge fund that owns Deepseek has 1.6 billion worth of servers. Plus they need to pay electricity, employees… and researchers and computer people often get a decent salary. That makes me think at least a few billions is the correct amount… If we want to do research on the level Deepseek does.

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      Building a cheaper model that’s not as good as the top AI models is not the best way to build AI models, cheaper yes, but Deepseek isn’t the best AI model out there, it still gets beat by Googles/Claudes/OpenAI etc

      A better way would be to combine the Deepseek training optimisations with raw power of Americas/nvidias hardware

      We’re still at an early stage with AI, there’s nothing to suggest we’re anywhere near the end of Jevons paradox

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        Sometimes Claude Haiku (which has few billion parameters) knows things that ChatGPT doesn’t.

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        Are you blind? There are so many things suggesting AI is a past thing already.

        Most importantly there is no good use for it.

        Just like Bitcoin all companies are trying to shoehorn it in shit products and making them shittier.

        Eu should not built AI but try to regulate it and protect the environment from it.

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          Heya!

          Are you blind? There are so many things suggesting AI is a past thing already.

          ?? Really like what? I must be blind, Deepseek just made GLOBAL headlines, like my own local logan radio station mentioned it on its news the other day!

          The Paris AI summit is happening right now:

          On 10 and 11 February 2025, France will host the Artificial Intelligence (AI) Action Summit, gathering at the Grand Palais, Heads of State and Government, leaders of international organizations, CEOs of small and large companies, representatives of academia, non-governmental organizations, artists and members of civil society.

          https://www.elysee.fr/en/sommet-pour-l-action-sur-l-ia

          It’s being held at the Grand Palais which is very fancy :)

          If you’re seeing something to suggest AI “is a past thing already” feel free to let me know

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            Making headlines is not a proof of quality. It’s just the latest buzz word. You should be less influenced by trends but more by real results.

            Btw, I’ve participated to this kind of summit, even as speaker. These events are more a marketing and lobbying tool for consultant firms than being a real breakthrough event on the technology.

            They did the same for the sovereign cloud years ago. Lot of money (our taxes) given, fancy events, fancy speeches. Concrete results: still waiting.

            And yes, this ML training already show it’s limitations (hence the thing of the past remark). Until recently, you could improve the quality of the answer by providing more training data. But now, they’ve reached the limit as no more data can be given.

            It’s just a matter of time before the bubble explode.

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              Hey, the results of the sovereign cloud are concrete:

              Your data doesn’t belong to you, and can be taken away or spied on at any moment as your government demands.

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                For a company, the choice are today: AWS or Microsoft. I would prefer an EU version (of being spied). It was pitched as the next big step, like this IA initiative today… Still waiting…

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              You should be less influenced by trends but more by real results.

              I just used it 30 seconds ago for comparing export data: https://aussie.zone/post/17570399/14730920

              and last night for French language practice with https://morpheem.org/fr-en

              and https://chat.mistral.ai/chat earlier today for putting together a bunch of keyalgo’s and macs into an SSH command to get into my router

              and https://lmstudio.ai/ with any one of these for javascript practice:

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                What a coincidence, I use it to learn German and it makes mistakes.

                I also use it for programming and with anything more complicated it makes mistakes.

                And about the command creation, it is laughable to waste this kind of energy on this easy of a task.

                I do not say it should be perfect, but if I spend more time debugging it’s code than it would take to write my own.

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                  And about the command creation, it is laughable to waste this kind of energy on this easy of a task.

                  You better watch out or I’ll generate another image

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      Deepseak did show it could be done cheaply but imagine if you could take their optimisations and throw more power behind it (ie: buy a fuck tone of GPUs that the Chinese dont officially have access to)

      Could work, the EU should pursue AI independence else it will continue its slide into irrelevance. Glad France is stepping up to the plate on this