Maybe because people aren’t given a choice as everything is dictated by the manufacturers.
Slapping 10 year old hardware into a phone with a small screen is a guaranteed way to make people not buy your phone but that doesn’t mean people don’t want small screens, headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, etc. They just don’t want the garbage manufacturers lump in with these great features so that these phones don’t cut into their high-margin device sales.
I haven’t forgotten that. You may have forgotten that all phones came with swappable batteries, small screens, and headphone jacks and they sold millions of them for decades. That proves these are important features because they sold well, right?
Also all those examples you gave apply to all phones, not just small one
What does that even mean? All phones come with old hardware and are poorly built outside of a couple key features?
Apple sold a 13 Mini, which was nearly identical to the 13, as much as is physically possible, and it was a dud.
So identical that they were nearly the same price which could put a lot of buyers off if they feel like they’re getting less value for their money. Consumers also think that 1/4lb burgers are better than 1/3lb burgers because they’re bigger as A&W found out in the 1980s when trying to compete against McDonalds. “The market deciding” doesn’t mean anything rational happened or that it reflects reality. You’re simply cherrypicking the result you want and shaping it to fit your argument.
You said people don’t have a choice. I’m telling you it used to be the only choice they had. Then OEMs started offering other options and everyone wanted those. No point in making devices the market has proven time and time again that they don’t want.
You may have forgotten that all phones came with swappable batteries, small screens, and headphone jacks and they sold millions of them for decades. That proves these are important features because they sold well, right?
Important to consumers, yes. Important to OEMs? No, quite the opposite. I don’t think that applies to screen size.
What does that even mean?
What did you even mean if not to imply that people weren’t buying specifically large phones because they didn’t include these anti-features?
So identical that they were nearly the same price which could put a lot of buyers off if they feel like they’re getting less value for their money
Why would they feel like they were getting lass value when it was the size they wanted, and had everything else also?
Consumers also think that 1/4lb burgers are better than 1/3lb burgers because they’re bigger
So then you agree consumers want bigger phones?
You’re simply cherrypicking the result you want and shaping it to fit your argument.
Important to consumers, yes. Important to OEMs? No, quite the opposite. I don’t think that applies to screen size.
If you believe this then why even argue against us with this “the market decided” BS argument in the first place? You’re arguing out of both sides of your mouth and contradicting your previous comments.
What did you even mean if not to imply that people weren’t buying specifically large phones because they didn’t include these anti-features?
I wasn’t implying anything. I stated that manufacturers put things like a headphone jack into a phone that seems like it was built by Fisher Price and then point to it’s lack of sales and claim “people don’t want headphone jacks”
So then you agree consumers want bigger phones?
Uh, no, I’m saying that consumers don’t always act rationally and make the best decisions which is why “market trends” can’t just be taken at face value. 1/4lb is actually smaller than 1/3lb if you weren’t aware, but consumers saw the bigger number and thought the smaller burger was the better value even though reality says otherwise.
You’re arguing out of both sides of your mouth and contradicting your previous comments.
I’m not, and I explained exactly how I’m not in the section you quoted.
stated that manufacturers put things like a headphone jack into a phone that seems like it was built by Fisher Price and then point to it’s lack of sales and claim “people don’t want headphone jacks”
What does any of that have to do with small phones, though? You seem to be implying OEMs have a some sort of agenda against small phones. But why?
I’m saying that consumers don’t always act rationally
Why does that matter? OEMs are not going to continue manufacturing phones that consumers aren’t buying because they’re irrational. That would, in itself, be irrational.
I had a 13 mini until a month ago. It’s one hell of a phone, and honestly, I’d still be using it if iPhones didn’t keep their value so well and Apple weren’t such a shit company.
My point is I assume they didn’t lose money on them. They feel the scale of profit needs to be higher, else it’s not worth their time. And I think it’s a bummer that they run things this way.
That 3% would be a lot of customers to other reasonably sized companies. Right?
Maybe because people aren’t given a choice as everything is dictated by the manufacturers.
Slapping 10 year old hardware into a phone with a small screen is a guaranteed way to make people not buy your phone but that doesn’t mean people don’t want small screens, headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, etc. They just don’t want the garbage manufacturers lump in with these great features so that these phones don’t cut into their high-margin device sales.
You forget that all phones used to be small.
Also all those examples you gave apply to all phones, not just small ones.
Apple sold a 13 Mini, which was nearly identical to the 13, as much as is physically possible, and it was a dud.
I haven’t forgotten that. You may have forgotten that all phones came with swappable batteries, small screens, and headphone jacks and they sold millions of them for decades. That proves these are important features because they sold well, right?
What does that even mean? All phones come with old hardware and are poorly built outside of a couple key features?
So identical that they were nearly the same price which could put a lot of buyers off if they feel like they’re getting less value for their money. Consumers also think that 1/4lb burgers are better than 1/3lb burgers because they’re bigger as A&W found out in the 1980s when trying to compete against McDonalds. “The market deciding” doesn’t mean anything rational happened or that it reflects reality. You’re simply cherrypicking the result you want and shaping it to fit your argument.
You said people don’t have a choice. I’m telling you it used to be the only choice they had. Then OEMs started offering other options and everyone wanted those. No point in making devices the market has proven time and time again that they don’t want.
Important to consumers, yes. Important to OEMs? No, quite the opposite. I don’t think that applies to screen size.
What did you even mean if not to imply that people weren’t buying specifically large phones because they didn’t include these anti-features?
Why would they feel like they were getting lass value when it was the size they wanted, and had everything else also?
So then you agree consumers want bigger phones?
Pot meet kettle.
If you believe this then why even argue against us with this “the market decided” BS argument in the first place? You’re arguing out of both sides of your mouth and contradicting your previous comments.
I wasn’t implying anything. I stated that manufacturers put things like a headphone jack into a phone that seems like it was built by Fisher Price and then point to it’s lack of sales and claim “people don’t want headphone jacks”
Uh, no, I’m saying that consumers don’t always act rationally and make the best decisions which is why “market trends” can’t just be taken at face value. 1/4lb is actually smaller than 1/3lb if you weren’t aware, but consumers saw the bigger number and thought the smaller burger was the better value even though reality says otherwise.
I’m not, and I explained exactly how I’m not in the section you quoted.
What does any of that have to do with small phones, though? You seem to be implying OEMs have a some sort of agenda against small phones. But why?
Why does that matter? OEMs are not going to continue manufacturing phones that consumers aren’t buying because they’re irrational. That would, in itself, be irrational.
I had a 13 mini until a month ago. It’s one hell of a phone, and honestly, I’d still be using it if iPhones didn’t keep their value so well and Apple weren’t such a shit company.
Cool.
“Dud” is really strong language. These companies have distorted metrics for what is a successful product.
Google has a reputation for killing products because of similar wild expectations for ROI.
Is it “strong language” when they made up 3% of iphone sales?
Well, Um. There are 3% of us!
My point is I assume they didn’t lose money on them. They feel the scale of profit needs to be higher, else it’s not worth their time. And I think it’s a bummer that they run things this way.
That 3% would be a lot of customers to other reasonably sized companies. Right?