aesthetics can still matter. If I say I disagree with you or I say I think you’re a stupid piece of trash there are people who would consider that to be aesthetically different but they convey a different message that will be received different.
tone policing sucks ass. I will not be polite and civil with people who callously disregard human lives. civility is the false peace, a white, middle class sensibility that I refuse to adopt. civility masks the underlying tensions that mark our fucked up world, pretending everything is hunky dory. fuck that. bring the tensions into the light. it’s only then that we stand any chance of resolving them. I’m not afraid of conflict. bring it on.
Where did I say to pretend that everything is hunky dory? Where have I callously disregarded human lives?
I neither can nor have the energy to try and make you do anything different than you will. But until it comes to violent revolution you’re not going to change many minds with aggression.
Where did I say to pretend that everything is hunky dory? Where have I callously disregarded human lives?
You commented in an instance you never have before to specifically ignore the issues of and then go on to undermine perfectly valid and verifiable instances of bigotry - specifically transphobia - in both the post and the comments. Instead jumping to take offense at vague criticisms of “Western instutions and media” and both sides bigots and fash with a harmless anti-bigot comic. You did this for 9 hours.
You tell me what we should assume about your intentions.
I commented a criticism about the behavior of members of the instance after they had made a showing on my own. The criticism was relevant to the comic.
go on to undermine perfectly valid and verifiable instances of bigotry - specifically transphobia - in both the post and the comments
Where?
Instead jumping to take offense at vague criticisms of “Western instutions and media”
This is a big part of my criticism, so yeah, I focused on it where applicable.
and both sides bigots and fash with a harmless anti-bigot comic.
Where?
You did this for 9 hours.
I did this periodically as my day allowed. I responded to people who responded to me. Would it have been received better or worse if I just ignored responses?
You tell me what we should assume about your intentions.
I have, yes. Based on your only ever comments here being pearl-clutching about an inoffensive silly webcomic of a user expressing the amount of (verifiable) bigotry, bile, and hate they’ve seen and recieved. In response you mostly seem to have decided that the real issue you’re going to spend your time on is repeatedly saying some variation of ‘fascists are bad but you guys were just as rude in my instance’ without ever providing any evidence.
So yes, I doubt your authenticity, your motives, and you’ve given me and others little to no reason not too.
On the off-chance that you really did just trip over yourself throughout this entire thread let me say this - Hexbear is a community of often marginalised groups, with often marginalised politics, who undergo a constant onslaught of bad faith arguements, abuse, and online and offline attacks. Federation here has opened up more traffic in both directions, and while we’re pleased and happy to welcome people here who make an effort to engage in good faith and ask questions, we get a much high proportion of hostile people ranging from concen trolls to outright abusive fascists. If you find the messages you recieve overhwelmingly treating you more like the latter than the former, then maybe you should also look at how your posts come across in that context.
I’d like to point at that at no point have I suggested “just as rude” and on at least a few occasions have specifically said there’s there’s a hefty difference.
Assholes are everywhere and they like to target the marginalized. Believe me I understand. But does being treated like shit mean someone is given license to be crappy to others? Isn’t that what the whole “an eye for an eye makes the world blind” phrase about?
Since I’ve been here I’ve had a variety of words put in my mouth so I could be judged for them. I’ll admit that there’s sure to be things I could’ve communicated better.
The “real issue” is also reading in more than intended. I didn’t expect I needed to say “I agree with all of this except…”. Maybe that’s on me but I’m not in the habit of qualifying everything I say beforehand. I don’t think a big part of the internet is either.
aesthetics can still matter. If I say I disagree with you or I say I think you’re a stupid piece of trash there are people who would consider that to be aesthetically different but they convey a different message that will be received different.
tone policing sucks ass. I will not be polite and civil with people who callously disregard human lives. civility is the false peace, a white, middle class sensibility that I refuse to adopt. civility masks the underlying tensions that mark our fucked up world, pretending everything is hunky dory. fuck that. bring the tensions into the light. it’s only then that we stand any chance of resolving them. I’m not afraid of conflict. bring it on.
Where did I say to pretend that everything is hunky dory? Where have I callously disregarded human lives?
I neither can nor have the energy to try and make you do anything different than you will. But until it comes to violent revolution you’re not going to change many minds with aggression.
You commented in an instance you never have before to specifically ignore the issues of and then go on to undermine perfectly valid and verifiable instances of bigotry - specifically transphobia - in both the post and the comments. Instead jumping to take offense at vague criticisms of “Western instutions and media” and both sides bigots and fash with a harmless anti-bigot comic. You did this for 9 hours.
You tell me what we should assume about your intentions.
I commented a criticism about the behavior of members of the instance after they had made a showing on my own. The criticism was relevant to the comic.
Where?
This is a big part of my criticism, so yeah, I focused on it where applicable.
Where?
I did this periodically as my day allowed. I responded to people who responded to me. Would it have been received better or worse if I just ignored responses?
It looks like you’ve already decided
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I have, yes. Based on your only ever comments here being pearl-clutching about an inoffensive silly webcomic of a user expressing the amount of (verifiable) bigotry, bile, and hate they’ve seen and recieved. In response you mostly seem to have decided that the real issue you’re going to spend your time on is repeatedly saying some variation of ‘fascists are bad but you guys were just as rude in my instance’ without ever providing any evidence.
So yes, I doubt your authenticity, your motives, and you’ve given me and others little to no reason not too.
On the off-chance that you really did just trip over yourself throughout this entire thread let me say this - Hexbear is a community of often marginalised groups, with often marginalised politics, who undergo a constant onslaught of bad faith arguements, abuse, and online and offline attacks. Federation here has opened up more traffic in both directions, and while we’re pleased and happy to welcome people here who make an effort to engage in good faith and ask questions, we get a much high proportion of hostile people ranging from concen trolls to outright abusive fascists. If you find the messages you recieve overhwelmingly treating you more like the latter than the former, then maybe you should also look at how your posts come across in that context.
I’d like to point at that at no point have I suggested “just as rude” and on at least a few occasions have specifically said there’s there’s a hefty difference.
Assholes are everywhere and they like to target the marginalized. Believe me I understand. But does being treated like shit mean someone is given license to be crappy to others? Isn’t that what the whole “an eye for an eye makes the world blind” phrase about?
Since I’ve been here I’ve had a variety of words put in my mouth so I could be judged for them. I’ll admit that there’s sure to be things I could’ve communicated better.
The “real issue” is also reading in more than intended. I didn’t expect I needed to say “I agree with all of this except…”. Maybe that’s on me but I’m not in the habit of qualifying everything I say beforehand. I don’t think a big part of the internet is either.