EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)

  • seahorse [Ohio]AEnglish
    142·
    1 年前

    Nazis/extremists don’t respond to rational arguments against their ideology.

    • yeeter@lemmy.worldEnglish
      72·
      1 年前

      You ever hear of that black guy who makes friends with KKK members? Sometimes they give up their bullshit and they become friends. I will accept the risk of having futile arguments with many if there is a chance that logic and reason breaks through to a few.

      • seahorse [Ohio]AEnglish
        9·
        1 年前

        That’s different than arguing with people on the internet. Daryl Davis shows these people their shared humanity face-to-face. All I’ve ever seen from letting fash “debate” people on the internet is them slowly spreading their ideology to vulnerable people who are viewing the same conversations. Saying stuff that sounds reasonable on the surface like, “not everyone you disagree with is a nazi” even though they want to kill minorities as if that motive vs not wanting that to happen/doing everything in your power to make sure it doesn’t happen is a simple disagreement.

        • yeeter@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 年前

          I admit you raise some good points. I have always thought that people susceptible to extremism will eventually find it online, but maybe they won’t, and maybe exposing them to those ideas in rational conversation on mainstream platforms is too “risky.” My gut tells me that is not the case, but that is just my gut. It seems worthy of some kind of study.

      • Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social
        8·
        1 年前

        I did that for years. Many years. It burned me out and made me much more of a thin-skinned and intolerant person with those around me in real life.

        I love places where they willingly come to redeem themselves (like r/IncelExit) but otherwise I just stray very, very far. It took a heavy toll on my mind.

        It is a noble thing but one that shouldn’t be required of most users.

        • yeeter@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 年前

          Cheers. Not everyone has the constitution to engage, and that’s fine. I do not think hate should be tolerated, but I think it must be confronted with reason. The only alternatives seem to be more isolation, extremism, and violence.

          • Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social
            4·
            1 年前

            Honestly I still discuss online but it’s very rare. Mostly with teenagers since they are usually more open.

            There is a problem of even where to confront with reason. Most of the time you hinder more than you help on mainstream social media, because more comments on a post will boost it on the algorithm and distribute the original poster’s message further while they remain wilfully ignorant.