The Lemmygrad mod team has deliberated and decided that “patsocs”, especially those claiming the title such as Maupin, Hinckle, and Infrared, are hereby banned and are not welcome on lemmygrad.
This ban does not include those who feel some level of “patriotism” (for lack of a better word) for non-settler states ( namely those who have historically been victims of colonialism ).
Discussions surrounding the topics of settler-colonialism, and decolonization will always be allowed, as long as they don’t veer into the territory of defenses of colonialism, or affinity with colonizer over the colonized.
This includes:
- No apologia of settler-colonialism, or defenses of colonizer over the colonized. IE no defenses of Israelis over Palestinians, or European Settlers over indigenous americans fighting for the return of stolen lands.
- Please adhere to the Marxist-Leninist principle of Right of Nations to Self-Determination: especially holding true for indigeous peoples.
- Please adhere to the Marxist-Leninist principle of Proletarian Internationalism.
- No social-chauvinism, or opportunistic appeals to “conservative values” to win converts to socialism.
Here are some Marxist books / resources to learn more about Settler-Colonialism ( Audiobook torrents are linked as well )
- Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz - An indigenous people’s history of the US . audiobook
- Walter Rodney - How europe underdeveloped Africa . audiobook
- Zak Cope - Divided world divided class . audiobook
- Nick Estes - Red Nation Rising: From Bordertown Violence to Native Liberation
- J. Sakai - Settlers : The Mythology of the white proletariat . audiobook
- Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz - Not a nation of immigrants . audiobook
- Rashid Khalidi - The hundred years war on Palestine . audiobook
- Galeano - Open veins of latin america . audiobook
- Vincent Bevins - The Jakarta method . audiobook
- Fanon - The wretched of the earth . audiobook
- CLR James - The Black Jacobins . audiobook
The wildest take from them was Zionist defense. I never knew, they believe things as silly as the Israeli working class is brainwashed into wanting free houses, they don’t really want them.
How patsocs must think it happens:
“Oh no, I’ve been duped into taking these 5 free acres of land! How did anyone brainwash me into doing this!! This is against my material interests!”
Exhibit A against that claim: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-09-30/ty-article/.highlight/cleansed-by-the-torah-why-these-afrikaners-became-jews-and-moved-to-israel/0000017f-e2bb-d9aa-afff-fbfb151f0000
Things just haven’t been the same since apartheid ended in South Africa. It’s a good thing Israel is still doing one!
Nice, thx for this. archive.is link
Where are y’all running into these people? I see people who have opened discussion on how to possibly use existing American patriotism as a radicalization tool (I’m against it, but still understand why there are those that see some value in the idea). But I’m fortunate enough not to have run into any of these specifically terrible takes yet. Seriously, who the f are these “socialists” that support Israel?
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Like SpaceCowboy said, there were a bunch of these people around here the past few days. If you weren’t there and aren’t seeing anything now that’s because the mods have removed their comments and banned the worst offenders. Look at the modlog if you want to know the details.
This isn’t anything I’ve learned from any patsocs, this is just my own reasoning.
Are they not brainwashed?
I’ve never lived in Israel, but I live in America, I’m a Palestinian American. I’ve spent much of my life hating Americans, especially the middle class and upwards. But over time I’ve seen them as victims too. Yes, they are given special treats from the ruling class, and I’d rather be miserable and helplessly brainwashed with a meal than be the same without a meal. But they suffer. They are isolated from reality, from compassion and comraderie, all of their friends and family and jobs and passions are poisonous black holes. They are human beings made into tools of evil by ruthless conditioning that starts when they are born and ends when they are dead, from every direction and facet of their life. They are not born motherfuckers, they are made that way.
If I applied this thinking to Israelis, this is not a “Zionist defense.”
This is not to say that I think the average American or Israeli etc. etc. gets a pass partaking in imperialism, colonialism, fascism et. al., or that I like them or would want to hang out with them, or that I would hesitate much to pull the trigger when the war heats up. I think the common persons of these entities does more than their fair share spreading misery and destruction…but they have been brainwashed to, conditioned to.
If this is all regarding stuff user SaddamHussein said I think you all are interpreting them in terrible bad faith.