Kids already learn about nazis, drugs, and sex in school. Maybe you don’t see that as a middle ground between nazi rallies and the holocaust museum, but it really is.
So you wouldn’t support someone promoting the things that nazis did, but you do support nazis being able to share their ideology that lead to those things.
You know nazi rallies are threats against groups of people, right?
Let me ask this: Someone might believe that Israel’s right to defend itself extends to bombing hospitals and blocking food aid so people starve to death. Someone else might say hey what you’re describing fits the literal definition of genocide. Both of those ideologies, in my opinion, should be allowed on Substack, even though one of them is openly advocating for the murder of the innocent. Would you disagree with allowing both of them?
I disagree with allowing someone to promote murder. They can discuss whether or not something is murder all day. But when they cross into saying the murder is a good thing and they want it to happen they have crossed a line.
And if they’re not? If they’re simply saying that they support Israel’s actions, without trying to deny the objective reality of what that means but instead just deflecting into excuses about how what they’re doing is justified without going into specifics?
What about someone who starts a Nazi blog but doesn’t use the words “murder” or “genocide,” but deflects into excuses about how what they’re proposing is justified, without going into specifics?
I mean, you can answer or not. I think the point that I was making was already pretty clear; like I say I’m not really trying to argue back and forth with you. I think what I think was already articulated in plenty of detail, and I think I understand where you’re coming from. I’m only responding with this back and forth because you seem like you want to continue the interaction.
Edit: Actually, maybe my point isn’t completely clear. What I’m saying is not anything in particular about Gaza; it is that the rules you’re proposing for who should be allowed to say their viewpoint are not anywhere near as cut-and-dried as they seem. To plenty of people in the world, the current Israel government is more evil than the literal Nazis. Why do you get to say Nazis aren’t allowed, because they’re evil (which, they are), but they’re not allowed to say pro-Israel viewpoints aren’t allowed, because the current Israeli government is evil (which, it is)? In most cases, with some exceptions, it’s better to just let people talk and if they’re wrong or evil then their listeners can decide that for themselves without you needing to be the gatekeeper to decide it for them. In my opinion. IDK why I’m repeating myself; you clearly don’t agree with me on it, which, again, that is fine.
What about someone who starts a Nazi blog but doesn’t use the words “murder” or “genocide,” but deflects into excuses about how what they’re proposing is justified, without going into specifics?
Nazi ideology is that white people are superior and everyone else should die. That is their core belief system and not saying the parts out loud doesn’t mean they aren’t there. They attempted a genocide of Jewish people, minorities, and all kinds of people until they lost the second world war. There is no reason for anyone to claim the label of nazi without supporting those things because there isn’t anything else to being a nazi than white supremacy and violence.
Kids already learn about nazis, drugs, and sex in school. Maybe you don’t see that as a middle ground between nazi rallies and the holocaust museum, but it really is.
So you wouldn’t support someone promoting the things that nazis did, but you do support nazis being able to share their ideology that lead to those things.
You know nazi rallies are threats against groups of people, right?
Let me ask this: Someone might believe that Israel’s right to defend itself extends to bombing hospitals and blocking food aid so people starve to death. Someone else might say hey what you’re describing fits the literal definition of genocide. Both of those ideologies, in my opinion, should be allowed on Substack, even though one of them is openly advocating for the murder of the innocent. Would you disagree with allowing both of them?
I disagree with allowing someone to promote murder. They can discuss whether or not something is murder all day. But when they cross into saying the murder is a good thing and they want it to happen they have crossed a line.
Noted. You didn’t answer my specific question though. Should someone who supports Israel’s current actions in Gaza be allowed on Substack?
If they are advocating for the murder and genocide of Palestinians, they should not be allowed.
And if they’re not? If they’re simply saying that they support Israel’s actions, without trying to deny the objective reality of what that means but instead just deflecting into excuses about how what they’re doing is justified without going into specifics?
What about someone who starts a Nazi blog but doesn’t use the words “murder” or “genocide,” but deflects into excuses about how what they’re proposing is justified, without going into specifics?
I mean, you can answer or not. I think the point that I was making was already pretty clear; like I say I’m not really trying to argue back and forth with you. I think what I think was already articulated in plenty of detail, and I think I understand where you’re coming from. I’m only responding with this back and forth because you seem like you want to continue the interaction.
Edit: Actually, maybe my point isn’t completely clear. What I’m saying is not anything in particular about Gaza; it is that the rules you’re proposing for who should be allowed to say their viewpoint are not anywhere near as cut-and-dried as they seem. To plenty of people in the world, the current Israel government is more evil than the literal Nazis. Why do you get to say Nazis aren’t allowed, because they’re evil (which, they are), but they’re not allowed to say pro-Israel viewpoints aren’t allowed, because the current Israeli government is evil (which, it is)? In most cases, with some exceptions, it’s better to just let people talk and if they’re wrong or evil then their listeners can decide that for themselves without you needing to be the gatekeeper to decide it for them. In my opinion. IDK why I’m repeating myself; you clearly don’t agree with me on it, which, again, that is fine.
Nazi ideology is that white people are superior and everyone else should die. That is their core belief system and not saying the parts out loud doesn’t mean they aren’t there. They attempted a genocide of Jewish people, minorities, and all kinds of people until they lost the second world war. There is no reason for anyone to claim the label of nazi without supporting those things because there isn’t anything else to being a nazi than white supremacy and violence.
Your point is terrible.
Glad we cleared that up, then.