He can’t go any further right, so he can’t be pushed right. Ergo, he can only be pushed left. Libs owned us yet again oooaaaaaaauhhh

  • robinn_IV [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    So that’s your alternative? A violent overthrow of the US government? Ignoring the fact that it’s not possible, there would be no Palestinians left by the time it was done. The aid would certainly come to a swift end

    It’s not impossible, and with the US aid coming to an end there would also be the end to support of the Israeli settler regime, support which vastly overpowers this aid.

    The left (including myself) couldn’t gather enough support to nominate Bernie

    LMAO.

    And who’s to say the left would even be in control when the smoke cleared? You are just being ridiculous.

    No material analysis. The reason you think the left doesn’t have support in the US is due to opportunism and the dual interests of labor in the imperial core. So, if the dust settles and US interference abroad had crumbled, it would certainly be the left in control. Read Lenin’s Imperialism.

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      Without foreign assistance, Israel can’t exist. With America out of the picture, it would just be Russia or China. Either one would like to grow their influence in the region,band Israel has plenty of technology expertise to offer.

      Yes, it’s impossible. Out of every ten people you recruit for your little revolution, at least one will be a fed. You’ll be done before you even start.

      The left does have support in the US. A violent leftist revolution doesn’t. Right wing militias would be the least of your concerns. The wealthy of the US have their own private armies and intelligence agencies, not to mention the money to buy foreign support and arms. The dollar wouldn’t become worthless until you won.

      How did Lenin’s revolution end up? The Russia he built is even more of an oligarchy than the US.

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        Except neither Russia nor China would have anything to gain by taking over the colonial reigns there, this is also racist as fuck because you can’t even imagine Palestinians governing themselves.

        How did Lenin’s revolution end up? The Russia he built is even more of an oligarchy than the US.

        Please fuck off liberal.

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          That reply pretty much does my argument for me. This is not a group that will ever move public opinion on anything.

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            When have libs even tried to move public opinion to the left lately? Did they try to move public opinion on immigration or did they offer to give the republicans every fascist measure they want for the border?

            We were done with you before you even got here, not worth our time

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            You really cannot see past your upturned nose can you?

            You keep implying that the users here are some sort of political action group within the two-party charade of American electoral politics. That the extent of their possibly action is what they post on this niche little corner of the internet.

            You may live your life as though every tweet you make is part of some targeted electoral campaign to move the needle in a political horse race, feeling as though that counts as action. But most people here don’t.

            Most have little time for dead end electoralism. Many could not vote even if they did as they’re not from or in the US. People post here for fun, or to share information and ideas, or just to post pictures of cool animals even. Being on a website isn’t their entire life, it’s not their only concept of action or praxis or organising or whatever you tell yourself you’re doing with this nonsense. Their action is done in the real world for the most part, or, if they do organise online, it’s in other communities on other terms.

            You’ve done the equivalent of walking into the pub discussion of strangers, with no context or understanding of them or what they’re discussing, and loudly telling them all they’ll never get win over the electorate with that messaging. They’re not trying to, you have no idea what you’re even trying to talk about, and you weren’t invited to participate in the first place. And yet you seem shocked and confused when they tell you that.

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            This is not a group that will ever move public opinion on anything.

            As contrasted opposed to you, who is really doing a lot to convince people.