I keep seeing you roll into these discussions acting like “it’s just the facts, dreamer” makes you the only adult in the conversation, and you repeatedly fail to recognize the non-kinetic impacts and repercussions of Israel’s/IDF’s/Likud-Coalition’s/Netanyahu’s course of action.

The US is very publicly putting Israeli leadership/Netanyahu on notice that they are evaluating the scope and depth of the relationship - that is huge. A US non-veto was played off as a ‘stab in the back’ despite Bibi and crew being well aware of US red lines over their shitshow of a war and the total absence of plans for after the war. Israel’s duplicity over aid inspections and crossings has worn down diplomats and NGOs across the world, the UN special rapporteur has directly stated that any famine that occurs is a direct result of Israeli policy.

You also keep pushing this idea that Palestinians want/accept death as a political tool to gain freedom, and that somehow frees us from trying to avoid their deaths? That speaks far more to the depth of humanity and how you value human life, than anything else. Accepting your base realpolitik approach, if they want martyrdom deaths to made Israel look bad, why grant them their wish? Why play into it?

You are puppeting IOF propaganda about hostages, tunnels, and “fair” warnings about exiting hospitals and buildings before bombing the hospitals and people evacuating. Gaza is an open air prison, where people are guilty merely due of living there before 1948, they cannot leave, cannot get access to water, get sniped if they have a peaceful protest at the walls, constantly under threat and action of military incursion, against a US funded military, in a place where the UN has repeatedly said that Israel is committing not just war crimes, but definitional ongoing perpetual genocide, and you want to talk about facts. Hamas is elected officials of a caged people without a country, who can’t “live” where they live and cannot flea to live elsewhere, even if they want to. Most want to stay and fight for what the UN states is theirs, as Israel takes more and more against the UN treaties. How can you not expect a group of people so oppressed to not try and break free with violence? We collectively view the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising as heroic and understandable, but many somehow cannot and will not see Palestinians as people deserving to fight for their lives. That somehow the decades of genocide will stop if they stop fighting and take the scraps that Israel gives them, knowing that they will always demand more. Settlers gobble up the shelled remains of Northern Gaza RIGHT NOW and you want to talk about facts. Ok genocidal sympathizer.

You use IDF propaganda as your ‘facts’ to form your opinion on justifying ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Hamas began twenty years into an Occupation enforced with direct and systemic violence, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

Hamas in its early days, according to former Israeli officials, was seen by the government of Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Israel supported Hamas as a way to break the PLO’s hold on the region. Retired official Avner Cohen, who worked in Gaza in the 1990s and oversaw religious affairs in the region, told the WSJ in 2009, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation."

And in the backdrop of the 2006 election were geographic and political divides between Gaza and the West Bank. Contrary to what Bennett claimed, Israel restricted Palestinians from moving in and out of Gaza, as well as between the strip and the West Bank, since at least the 1990s, after the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, according to Al Jazeera. In addition to Gaza’s borders, the Israeli government controlled its coastline and airspace, allowing for military incursions into the territory, and, in 2007, established the blockade on goods and people that still exists as of this writing.

People Claim a Majority of Palestinians in Gaza Elected Hamas — Here’s Why It Isn’t That Simple

Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017

This is a brutal occupation that is an apartheid regime, uses martial law, and military courts, the theft and extortion of water, the exploitation of Palestinians as a workforce without rights, state-backed settler violence, the deprivation of human rights for Palestinians, the destruction of schools, the destruction of hospitals, the destruction of homes, the starvation of children, the execution of women and children, the inhuman torture and abuse of Palestinians and yes even children in Israeli prisons.

You are ignorant at best

Is Israel using Tel Aviv as a human shield when a military building is next to a hospital?

Of course no answer from @JustZ@lemmy.world as usual