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Hateful news, but upvoting this cause it’s not the op’s fault Reddit is being a b*…
Regardless power tripping or not, i’m glad the mods are still giving problems to the admin
@dvdnet90 So, where there should I dump my porn? For the cause, of course.
The tactic of just slacking on any actual moderation and doing a terrible job would have been better imo. Then they don’t have anything concrete to complain about, just ‘hmmm sure is a lot of spam and porn in this sub’.
I just decided to abandon Reddit. It’s not worth it at this point with all the bs that’s happened in the past, and now this stuff too - what’s the point.
I’ve been having fun actually looking for new communities and new websites/technologies again. Made me feel like a kid again first discovering message boards
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But if any investors are reading, this is not a big deal you guys. It’s just a little, uh, it’s gonna pass, you know. The company is worth zillions!
Spez is out of touch.
He’s forgotten what internet users are.
We are an entire cultural shift away from rule following and shit giving, to a movement of non-compliant Boaty McBoat Faces who will happily bring the whole system down on top of ourselves.
Yes he’s burning his platform down
Imagine having that much money and refusing to pay attention.
Ya that’s why both the moderator teams mentioned in the article quietly relented and removed the NSFW designation and the situation on reddit is more or less back to normal.
This isn’t over by a long stretch, dude. There will be guerrilla shit going on for a long time. Mods who have returned are already half-assing their jobs, people are demanding pay, and the user base is fractured.
Plus, this isn’t the end of Reddit’s bullshit. They’ll keep pumping out more ads and making more unpopular changes. Name the last big company that ever said, “Okay, that’s enough money made. We can go back to good service and a reliable product now.”
Reddit traffic dropped by about 3%
That’s gonna be about the extent of what we’re gonna see. The situation has more or less normalized on reddit and the admins are tying up the largest loose ends - like /r/pics or /r/military
Posting pictures of Jon Oliver reddit couldn’t care less about. Setting the sub to NSFW is what hurts them, and it seems like subs are finally switching back on threat of mod removals.
Will reddit continue going to shit? Absolutely. It’s entered that phase of enshittification and crossed its own Rubicon.
But behemoths take time to die. The redditor userbase has gotten fatigued and until reddit makes their next shitty decision I think things will be more or less back to status quo - minus the users that left.
The 3% figure was just month over month from May to June.
I read that article. It was very misleading. You took the bait.
Are the numbers false? I saw a previous measure on an article that was around 3% as well.
Obviously we don’t know the traffic chance since July 1st but the announcement to kill API was made in May. Presumably there would have been an impact because of the changes that contributed to the 3%.
The apps didn’t shut down until June 30 or July 1.
Second, 99% of Reddit users don’t post content, and the power users were pretty upset and many left. Reddit May keep chugging along for a bit but content will get stale. It won’t turn into 9gag overnight but over a few weeks you’ll see a change.
I don’t know that they’re false, but they’re misleading. Not only was it traffic for June, but the thing Spez will care about is advertising dollars - and as others have said, the more communities are flagged NSFW, the fewer ad spaces can be sold.
No just misleading.
First because it’s web traffic, not all traffic. And the big loss for reddit is their 3rd party app users, which are not included in that figure.
Second, Reddit didn’t take a big hit in the window they discussed. The downard spiral began as a warning shot for two days on June 12th.
The real damage Reddit dies to themselves began July 1st.
I’d rather see April vs September numbers. And have it be measuring engagement. How many submissions, comments, etc.
But even then, reddit is losing 3rd party bot detection, and gaining bots. So it’s a lot harder to measure than the article suggests.
Good points. I’m curious to see how the situation develops going forward. Social media websites are quite chaotic at the moment. Reddit is playing with fire, just like Elon with Twitter
Reddit traffic dropped by about 3%
That was in June, before the third-party apps stopped working. Numbers for July aren’t in yet.
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I doubt he really cares. this whole thing looks like “maintain a minimum viable product” until IPO.
he just wants to get paid, I cannot imagine he will care if reddit burns to the ground after the check clears.
I don’t like spez as much as the next guy but I don’t think this is true, as CEO of a pre IPO start up a significant part of his compensation would be equity/equity options etc so he probably cares a bit more than after the check clears
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We don’t even need a cause. We would literally bring this down for a meme.
We’d bring this down just because we already dropped 68 others and need one more to complete the set.
If only that was still true. Internet users used to be a niche counter-culture. Now they’re just normal people.
Normies have ruined our Internet! :(
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
What would happen if all of the NSFW subreddits removed theirs too?
I ended up removing the few mods I had, making the subreddit private and the removing myself. We only had like 30,000 people subscribed but still.
Imagine threatening VOLUNTEERS. How does any mod with self respect not just quit?
Have they not threatened the communities with scabs as well? Like “if you don’t mod this, we will find someone who will”. The whole thing just seems super toxic and I really feel for the mods who genuinely cared and cultivated their subreddits. A lot of time and effort to be put into something for it to be thrown in their face for the sake of money.
Yes, the mods who spent years building a community, who gave up their free time, and care about what they do don’t have any self respect. /s
I really don’t understand this attitude or why people call remaining mods power hungry as if the admins aren’t doing anything wrong.
Little bits of power go to people’s heads. Seriously, that’s the only reason you’d continue to do volunteer work while being threatened for doing so.
Maybe they just don’t want to give up on a community in which they put so much time, effort, and passion to help shape.
I think both of you are right. Some people can’t let go of what they’ve helped build, and some people can’t let go of power.
So would you characterize that as “sunk cost fallacy” or “Stockholm syndrome”? Because Reddit has shown exactly how little it cares for its communities or the “landed gentry” who maintain them and if you were a mod who had been paying any attention at all to what’s going on, you’d be foolish to want to continue to maintain a relationship with it.
Reddit isn’t unique. There are (obviously) other places where communities can exist and grow, without relying on the largesse of libertarian tech-bros who see you as just a means to a cashed-out IPO end.
I think it’s more nuanced than that. For example, I know that some Linux communities still want a presence on Reddit because being able to reach more “mainstream” audiences is still important. It’s not Stockholm syndrome to want to continue to be able to do community outreach as best you can. It isn’t always the best choice to silo yourself into another corner of the Internet at the first sign of trouble.
Besides, we’ve seen a ton of mods simply doing double duty now, maintaining a presence on Reddit while simultaneously creating a new community in the Fediverse and I think that’s okay. Reddit didn’t kill Digg immediately and neither will the Fediverse kill Reddit immediately. All we can do is to show that the Fediverse is a more open and welcoming place than Reddit and I don’t think accusing all mods who aren’t immediately jumping ship of being on a power trip is going to help the cause at all.
Funny, I would have thought that Linux on desktop users would be used to not being mainstream 😄
But you’re right; I may have been too harsh in my judgement. I personally don’t think that putting up with Reddit and spez is worth it given the statements they’ve made and the actions they’ve taken over the past month, but that’s not everyone’s opinion and I should do better.
Haha, we’re used to not being mainstream, but we’re also known to be OS evangelists! So I think not being siloed and isolated is important.
Putting up with Reddit’s bullshit isn’t worth it for me personally either! I have, in fact, just deleted my 12 year old Reddit account in response to those changes. However, I also think that the mods are probably feeling a sense of responsibility to their community too. Like if they just jumped ship, Lord knows what kind of lackey Reddit will replace them with. I am sure watching your community turn to shit under an ineffective mod would just be devastating, and then to have THAT become the first thing a “mainstream” user would see due to the power of Reddit’s branding and Google’s existing search priorities is just the worst.
Hopefully, the Fediverse flourishes and becomes the it place to be and Reddit will slowly fade into obscurity just like Digg. I know I already feel pretty comfortable here!
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I turned all the communities I modded private and “basically” quit but I understand not completely quitting without thinking about it for a long time. I only modded for like 30K redditors but some of the communitites have millions and they got there with the unseen moderation. Mods love their communities and it’s really hard to just turn your back on them after you’ve cultivated real friendships and so much information has been shared. I think it’s a little more complicated than, “F reddit, I’m out”. They’ll get there though, it’s just become sooo much harder to actually mod the community you started.
@invno1 I have never moderated a community, but can absolutely see this! They moderated, because they loved the community and understood how to do it well. Maybe there are friends too, who you learn and discuss stuff with over the years. An angry user (like me) can “just” leave without many consequences. But a moderator also feels responsible to its community too. So I can understand those who have a hard time leaving. Maybe there was hope that Reddit will turnaround too.
Reddit wouldn’t have anyone to threat if every mod just quit all at once.
There are hundreds of even thousands, newbies would take time to train and they would probably have to hire and pay for replacements to get up and running quick enough
Because many subreddits are moderated by shills who are getting paid to nudge brand awareness and sentiment for $$$
Because they aren’t really volunteers. They love the power they wield and would do anything to keep it.
The real volunteers already quit.
There probably are some that like the “power” but I don’t believe it’s the norm. Just like forum admins back in the day it’s usually just the most active people that also care the most about the community.
Let me get this straight. They do the work for free, and are upset you took their tools. You then tell them open the subreddits or we open them for you. So they do that, and change some rules, now you’re upset and telling them how to moderate their subreddits. Like seriously Reddit. Why not just moderate the subreddits yourself?
You have people who have given you FREE WORK for decades, they have increased the value of your site, and they’re justifiably angry, and all you’re doing is shitting on them more.
What a fucking joke. I know this won’t directly affect the IPO but I hope some companies are looking at this and realizing that Reddit admins have made all of this so much worse.
I think it’s too early to tell how it will affect the IPO - with valuation already cut drastically by Fidelity earlier and very much ongoing contention from the community (just took a look at r/pics and r/interestingasfuck, wow), they aren’t really going to be entering in the position they could have without these recent poor decisions.
I hope you’re right… I hope it’s true, I hope this hurts them, because this is what they deserve.
But I also know share holders care about the money, so if they can show their decisions have made them more profitable, fuck the outrage, full steam ahead.
And eventually the protests will stop somehow.
At this point if I were a moderator I would just remove all NSFW tags and allow unmarked NSFW content, like just to fuck with spez, instead of John Oliver we just post NSFW content on every community and the mods do nothing
Not really, they’re not removing the nsfw tag from the cyberpunk sub, and people are posting nudes to justify the tag
instead of John Oliver we just post NSFW content
The two are not mutually-exclusive.
The problem is that’s probably a site wide rule and will get admins to remove the users, (and potentially moderators removed).
But I like how you’re thinking.
If every mod that didn’t agree with Reddit simply quit at the same time, the site would go to hell.
My advice to mods is to create a new community here and tell the community before Reddit nukes the mods. If the people know where to go, it won’t be as hard on the community itself and lemmy gets more content.
I’m sorry, but any mod that gets a message threatening them like that and stays on has zero self respect. It’s a volunteer job for god’s sake!
It’s not really about self-respect or they would have never started modding. It’s something they felt was important at the time and likely still feel their contributors are worth sticking around for a while. It may take some a little longer to move their community over here but it will happen in the next few months. Reddit is making it very difficult to continue.
Hoping any that are still staging protests are doing it to keep the mess visible to remaining users, current staff & potential investors. Reddit cannot retain any one of those without the other two.
The problem is if you leave, someone else comes in, takes it over and can’t do anything to annoy the admins.
At this point the mods are just tanking, and finding new ways to become problematic. Which hopefully people will see. The admins had an easy way to make this work and instead they are just struggling to keep up with this bullshit.
The only option I see is for users to overwrite their comments and for mods to delete their subs if they don’t come to an agreement.
I’m still giving them time, but sooner or later I’ll change my comments and delete my subreddits (even they’re just small ones).
You can’t delete subs, only set them private, and then reddit just appoint new mods to open it up again.
And the results are hilarious. https://kotaku.com/reddit-app-news-cyberpunk-2077-protest-nudity-rpg-nsfw-1850611359
“We’re not going to change it back, because this is a sexually explicit game, and also fuck them.”
Lmfao I live for this quote.
Fuck corpos and fuck Reddit.
clears throat BURN CORPO SHIT
Awesome to the max
More and more of these communities are going to see the grass is actually greener on the other side once they’ve had enough of Reddits nonsense.
I can’t believe it’s taking them this long.
It’s not really, most of the good ones are here already and some are here and finishing up on the other site.
When Apollo lost access I thought “I’ll try out lemmy” and I’ve been so happy with the change of mix of posts that I’m much happier here.
Feels like when I started using Reddit a decade ago, in a good way. Reddit shifted subtly enough that I didn’t even realize how little I was enjoying the content.
I wonder how many other people would have been relatively happy moderating communities, posting content and comments, had Reddit just not been evil.
Same experience. Jumped when Apollo stopped working and haven’t looked back
I agree 100%. I tried Lemmy and Mastodon not very long ago out of curiosity and now I’m in the process of deleting my other social accounts. I didn’t realize how little I actually engaged with Reddit and Twitter until I started doing so here.
