• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    And now we’re into conspiracy theory territory.

    That’s usually a clue that you’re wrong about something.

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      8 months ago

      Public information bro. Conspiracies actually do happen BTW. We have a former president being charged with involvement in several of you haven’t been keeping up with the news

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        8 months ago

        They do happen but they’re rare. That’s why they’re in the news.

        Generally speaking, you should think “maybe I’m wrong” before you think “there’s a conspiracy”.

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          8 months ago

          “National party exerts pressure on state party” is hardly a great plot for an X-files episode. And that’s assuming it took more than a polite phone call

          It would honestly be harder to believe that a state party would exclude someone from the ballot without at least discussing it with the national party.

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            8 months ago

            Still their decision. And the reasoning for their decision was not arbitrary. Some no-name candidate didn’t qualify in time. That’s not a conspiracy.

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              8 months ago

              If the national party didn’t stand up in favor of basic democracy then that alone is enough to damn them. What the fuck is a no-name candidate? They had fucking names. If you don’t know them then maybe you should be asking yourself how you could be so ill-informed.

              And they met all the requirements set out by the party for ballot inclusion BTW. It wasn’t easy for them to get the signatures for ballot inclusion without access to the Democratic database of registered voters. The bylaws make that data available to all candidates for a hefty fee. The fee was paid, the data was withheld, and the party wouldn’t even refund the money. They pulled the same shit on the Sanders campaign in 2016.

              Remember when Bloomberg wanted to enter the 2020 race late? He didn’t meet the requirements and had almost no popular support, so they changed the requirements. Of course they didn’t let the eliminated candidates back in based on the lower thresholds. How much more evidence of corruption do you need?

              Back to the “nameless” candidates. Mainstream news media lives or dies based on their access to power. They also depend on the advertising revenue from running all those political adds. TV adds aren’t very impactful compared to similar spending on Internet adds, yet TV adds continue to get most of the money. That gives the DNC (and RNC) a whole lot of clout over what names the public hears. This isn’t a “conspiracy theory” BTW, it’s conspiracy fact. It’s been talked about incessantly by former anchors and executives, and was also a big part of what was revealed from the leaked (or hacked) DNC emails.

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                8 months ago

                What the fuck is a no-name candidate?

                The fact that you don’t know what this very common phrase means suggests you’re either a foreign actor or you’re so politically uninformed that you shouldn’t be having opinions on things.

                The fee was paid, the data was withheld, and the party wouldn’t even refund the money.

                Gonna need a source for that one my friend. That’s a pretty extreme claim.

                Remember when Bloomberg wanted to enter the 2020 race late? He didn’t meet the requirements and had almost no popular support, so they changed the requirements.

                Ditto. Source please. Not a word of this is mentioned on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg_2020_presidential_campaign

                Bloomberg’s name didn’t even appear on the New Hampshire ballot. He intentionally skipped those primaries. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-president.html

                leaked (or hacked) DNC emails

                Again suggesting you’re a troll or agent. Only Republicans and Putin agents get so hung up on buttery males.

                You’re making a bunch of outrageous claims about DNC corruption, but I’m not seeing any of it substantiated by a quick google search…except for things Trump has said.

                Curious.

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                  8 months ago

                  Russian trolls are indeed a problem but this tendency of establishment liberals to throw around accusations whenever someone disagrees with them is a poor strategy to combat it. Their whole strategy revolves around sewing dysfunction in the body politic, and there is no better way to achieve it than to short circuit dialog this way. No, I am not a Russian troll but, if even if I were, calling me one just furthers their goals. This is a manifestation of one of the most critical failings of the liberal establishment in dealing with the Russian threat.

                  The fact that you don’t know what this very common phrase means suggests

                  I should have known better than to leave room for misinterpretation in a discussion with someone who longs to misinterpret. Imagine a discussion with a Republican where I responded to a comment on the boarder with the question “what the fuck is an illegal”? Would you assume that I don’t understand to whom they refer, or that I find the term misleading. Being “illegal” is an identity imposed by a broken system in the same way that being “no-name” is. The reason candidates have “no-name” is that they don’t get press, and they don’t get press because the neo-liberal consensus in mainstream media and both parties wants to keep them obscure. This goes back to the incestuous relationship between the elites in both parties and mainstream media.

                  Bloomberg missed the deadline to be on the New Hampshire ballot. As I said before, I am talking about candidates that met all of the requirements for ballot access, and were still denied. The rule changes I was referring to with Bloomberg were about access to the Democratic debates, not ballots.

                  Source please.

                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/31/nevada-debate-dnc-drops-donor-threshold-making-way-bloomberg/4624996002/

                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/12/18/bernie-sanders-campaign-disciplined-accessing-clinton-data/77539432/

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0lcBidnb34

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXOtNJtjoow

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                    8 months ago

                    No, I am not a Russian troll but, if even if I were, calling me one just furthers their goals. This is a manifestation of one of the most critical failings of the liberal establishment in dealing with the Russian threat.

                    The only way to combat Russian trolls is to not call them out? Come on, man, that was a more cogent string of words than the average provacateur but the reasoning behind it is still absolutely bonkers…unless you’re trying to help the trolls.

                    and they don’t get press because the neo-liberal consensus in mainstream media and both parties wants to keep them obscure

                    Conspiracy. Wake up, sheeple!

                    The rule changes I was referring to with Bloomberg were about access to the Democratic debates, not ballots.

                    Curious how you never specified that before lol

                    Much like you never specified that your claims of the DNC shenanigans were from Bermie’s run almost 10 years ago (and for context (which you also didn’t mention) was a disciplinary measure for Sanders staffers stealing data from Clinton).

                    You are rapidly losing my trust.