You may have noticed that in recent weeks, the Biden administration has been rolling out a hell of a lot of new regulations. Earlier this month it wasĀ big student loan reformsĀ and aĀ massive improvement in how public lands are managed, then this week we hadĀ better pay and working conditionsĀ for working Americans,Ā minimum staffing ratiosĀ for nursing homes, and evenĀ improved service on airlines.

Thatā€™s not only because itā€™s an election year, though Joe & Kamala certainly do like to point out that where the Other Guy rages (andĀ wants to raise inflation!) theyā€™ve been busy making Americansā€™ lives better. But the bigger reason is that the administration wants to get new rules finalized prior to May, toĀ keep them from being tossed out in the next CongressĀ via the Congressional Review Act, which Donald Trump and his cronies used to reverse a bunch of Barack Obamaā€™s environmental regulations.

. . . The requirement that coal plants find a way to eliminate 90 percent of their emissions by 2032 effectively accelerates the end of coal for power generation, which was inevitable anyway. Roughly 70 percent of US coal plants have already closed, and last year,Ā coal generated only 16 percentĀ of electric power, a new record low. In addition to the emissions rule,Ā three other final rulesĀ alsoĀ impose strict new limits on mercury, coal ash, and pollution of wastewater,Ā to put an end to the environmental degradation caused by coal.

. . . The other option, obviously, would be for utilities to meet coming demand with renewables, as administration officials pointed out when previewing the new rule. Thanks to the IRAā€™s hundreds of billions of dollars in incentives, carbon-free power generation, including battery storage,Ā already beats the cost of building new gas plants.Ā Going forward, the administration is confident renewables will be the far more cost-effective and reliable way to meet increasing demand by 2032, when the emissions limits fully kick in.

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    I agree with everything except the second point. What you say is true, but Leftists have proven themselves not to be counted on for turnout. A Democrat could expend all their energy chasing the Left, alienating a lot of centrists, and then one little thing starts making the rounds on Tiktok right before the election and yā€™all will abandon him. It doesnā€™t even have to be true. The GOP could make a doctored video of him saying the N-word, and the suspicion alone would drive away enough Leftists to cost him the election.

    Centrist voters are dependable. Leftist voters are fickle. Add in the fact that thereā€™s a LOT more centrist voters, and the calculus is obvious.

    That said, I do think he blundered here. As you said, numbers on Israel are changing. Biden came down too hard on the side of Israel, not just morally but also politically.

    Bidens best bet here was to be vague and noncommittal until Israel finally commits an atrocity covered enough by the media to tip a critical mass of centrists against Israel. Then Biden could suspend aid and be seen as a hero by all. Heā€™s severely limited the chance of that happening now.

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      I agree with everything except the second point.

      Thatā€™s amazing since all three points were in direct contradiction to what you just said.

      Leftists have proven themselves not to be counted on for turnout.

      False. If you went with young voters then you might have a point, except that I would disagree with the framing. I would frame it as ā€œThe establishment Democratic candidates have proven themselves incapable of earning the youth voteā€. Thatā€™s certainly now the case for 2024.

      The whole centrist thing hasnā€™t been valid since the 90s. The electorate isnā€™t laid out on spectrum from left to right anymore - if it ever was. A real discussion of how it breaks down would get really involved, but the populist/establishment divide is quickly becoming dominant over left/right. Thatā€™s why Trump beat Hillary. The Democrats ran the most establishment centrist candidate possible against a far right populist and we all paid the price. The centrist position today is ā€œYeah, the politicians are corrupt as hell, but itā€™s working out for meā€. It has nothing to do with the left/right spectrum. Centrist Democrats underperform in blue, red, and purple districts when compared to progressives in similar districts.

      The numbers I showed you on support for the occupation included right wing voters who are almost entirely backing Israel. The percentage of voters who might vote for Biden and support Israel is small and shrinking fast.

      There is no path now for Biden to be seen as the good guy, and he absolutely isnā€™t going to suspend enough aid to move Israel anyways.

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        The percentage of voters who might vote for Biden and support Israel is small and shrinking fast.

        The important point is that I do agree that this trend is happening, and Biden is moving in the wrong direction here. His most loyal base has always been pro-Israel, but theyā€™re becoming alienated. He will be forced to pivot soon.

        The smart move would have been for him to publicly voice disapproval of Netanyahu but privately continue funding him, for now, with an eye to cutting funding if poll numbers get worse. The fact that he came so heavily on the side of ā€œbreak up the protestersā€ was a massive miscalculation. All his career being 110% pro-Israel would have been the smart move, but no longer.

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        The numbers I showed you on support for the occupation included right wing voters who are almost entirely backing Israel.

        Speaking of direct contradiction, this statement directly contradicts your weird idea that thereā€™s really no difference between right wing and left wing populist voters. Have you been hiding under a rock since 2008? Yes I agree, in the late 90s/early 2000s the gap between right and left was narrowing, but since the tea party Qanon phenomenon right wingers have gone off the deep end.

        Centrist Democrats underperform in blue, red, and purple districts when compared to progressives in similar districts.

        What are you smoking? Thatā€™s not true at all. Moderates win. A lot. Red and blue.

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          Speaking of direct contradiction, this statement directly contradicts your weird idea that thereā€™s really no difference between right wing and left wing populist voters.

          Thatā€™s going a lot further than I said. There are definitely left wing and right wing populists (i.e. Bernie and Trump) but most Americans arenā€™t policy wonks and donā€™t care a bit about left vs right political philosophy. These arenā€™t centrists because they arenā€™t on the line at all. However, a whole lot of those Americans have begun noticing that their money is somehow being taken by a tiny minority with obscene levels of wealth. These are the people that either sit out elections, or vote for a ā€œreformā€ candidate. Trump, disingenuous as he is, effectively ran against the political establishment of both parties in 2016, while Hillary ran as a competent manager of the status quo.

          What happens when the Democratic party runs after so called centrists with an establishment candidate is that they make right wing populism more attractive than left wing, and thatā€™s where Trumpā€™s base comes from. Itā€™s not unique to America or post 2k politics, itā€™s how fascism always gets a foothold. Itā€™s all just 1930s Germany all over again. Itā€™s really not a dynamic that is well illustrated by a one dimensional line from left to right. A lot of voters that get categorized as the extreme right are the most conducive to populist left wing politicians. A Bernie Sanders gets a far better response from them than a Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton ever will.

          Thatā€™s not true at all.

          Actually it is true, but I canā€™t find the study at the moment. Itā€™s specifically about House races, which I do admit are a bit different from the Senate or Presidency. Two seemingly contradictory things are actually true. Progressives do tend to lose in redder districts more than establishment candidates, but they also tend to perform better when measured against typical outcomes for that district. The resolution to that contradiction is that the establishment fiercely fights to keep progressives out of districts that Democrats might win so, the average district progressives run in is more republican than the average district establishment candidates run in. Whatā€™s true in almost every race is that progressives do better at outperforming local historical outcomes in almost any district. Whether that gets translated into a better win/loss ratio is dependent on which districts progressives get to run in.

          Here are a few of links I did come across when looking for that study. They donā€™t address it directly, but they do illustrate how the press struggles to map election dynamics to the left-right spectrum.

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/12/how-to-turn-red-state-blue-purple-alaska-politics-2018-216304/

          https://publicconsultation.org/redblue/new-study-finds-people-in-red-and-blue-districts-largely-agree-on-what-government-should-do/

          https://www.princeton.edu/news/2018/05/09/purple-districts-elect-most-extreme-legislators-driving-polarization

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            Whatā€™s true in almost every race is that progressives do better at outperforming local historical outcomes in almost any district.

            Sounds plausible.

            Whether that gets translated into a better win/loss ratio is dependent on which districts progressives get to run in.

            For local races, maybe. Senate and President, you have to win over the moderate behemoth.

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              Senate and President, you have to win over the moderate behemoth.

              Like Trump?

              What the liberals and the media decry as ā€œpolarizationā€ is contradictory to that assertion. It also masks the real behemoth which is Americans who think the government is controlled by money and that their needs are irrelevant.

              Itā€™s also contradicted by the fact that, right before every election, Democratic politicians consistently move their rhetoric to the left. Just look at all the sudden activity from the Biden administration. Well, not Hillary, but most.

              BTW: If itā€™s the moderates really deciding elections, why is nobody lecturing them? Why all the attention on a group that doesnā€™t matter (until liberals need a scapegoat)? This is just the liberal version of the fascist rhetoric ā€œOur enemies are always both strong and weakā€. Progressives are both critical and irrelevant, as needed.

              What passes as centrism in politics is actually pro-corruption or pro-corporation. The fact is that left leaning policy is what wins over voters, even those that donā€™t consider themselves leftist. Furthermore, the Democratic establishment knows it and cynically uses it.

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                No one is lecturing Progressives. People are lecturing Leftists. Leftists have the numbers to give Republicans the win, since elections are so tight nowadays. But leftists donā€™t have the numbers to win primaries or dictate policy positions without playing a game of brinksmanship. ā€œGive us our demands or weā€™ll let the fascists winā€ is the only play that Leftists have because theyā€™re a small minority. And itā€™s a shitty move, which is why theyā€™re being lectured.

                The fact is that left leaning policy is what wins over voters, even those that donā€™t consider themselves leftist.

                Yes but not when itā€™s coming from Leftists.

                People are unbelievably, irredeemable stupid. See ā€œAffordable Care Actā€ vs ā€œObamacareā€. See ā€œI dunno why, I just donā€™t like the vibes of Hillary/Warren/Harrisā€. See ā€œdespite all the stats saying otherwise, I believe weā€™re in the middle of a CRIME EPIDEMICā€.

                And for the record, Trump did win over the moderate Republicans. Moderate Republicans are generally okay with extreme positions as long as their core demands are met. Democrat moderates need much more convincing.

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                  No one is lecturing Progressives. People are lecturing Leftists.

                  Leftists range from progressives to communists, the vast majority of which are progressive in the US. You are trying to draw a very fine line here between two groups that almost completely overlap. In any case, you are wrong about nobody lecturing progressives.

                  Leftists have the numbers to give Republicans the win

                  Not if you exclude those that identify as progressives. If you include progressives, then the lie becomes the idea that leftists donā€™t show up. You keep making that assertion, and itā€™s absolute fiction. There is no evidence whatsoever that a significant portion of those politically engaged enough to identify as leftists donā€™t show up for Democrats. What happens is that when the establishment fails to work with and reach out to progressives, they also fail to reach the fed-up Americans who have checked out of politics completely. Leftist/progressive policies are what drive engagement with many Americans who donā€™t identify as leftists.

                  But leftists donā€™t have the numbers to win primaries or dictate policy positions without playing a game of brinksmanship.

                  Is this supposed to be an argument against leftists using brinkmanship? ā€œItā€™s your only weapon so you better not use it.ā€ I think your framing is nonsense, of course, but taken at face value it doesnā€™t really make the case you want it to. Also, the biggest factor hurting progressives is the myth that they canā€™t win in the general. Exit polls were crystal clear that Democratic voters favored Sanders on policy, but thought he couldnā€™t beat Trump. Polling on Biden vs Trump and Sanders vs Trump was nearly identical BTW, but you would never know that from the media coverage. Incidentally, Iā€™m wondering if you are aware of how AOC unexpectedly beat Pelosiā€™s protege. She didnā€™t focus on moderates, she focused on unlikely voters. Leftist policies are the key to grassroots outreach to disaffected (non)voters.

                  People are unbelievably, irredeemable stupid. See ā€œAffordable Care Actā€ vs ā€œObamacareā€.

                  The ā€œpeopleā€ you are talking about are the ones buried in the right wing media bubble. There is less than a 10% swing in approval ratings for Obamacare and the ACA.

                  See ā€œI dunno why, I just donā€™t like the vibes of Hillary/Warren/Harrisā€.

                  Iā€™m personally not big on the ā€œVibesā€ of Hillary/Warren/Harris either, and Iā€™m guessing that indicates Iā€™m sexist or something? Warren at least has a leftist bent, even if she is cynically an establishment tool. Iā€™ll take AOC/Porter/Omar please.

                  See ā€œdespite all the stats saying otherwise, I believe weā€™re in the middle of a CRIME EPIDEMICā€.

                  You might be a bit behind on the news, but itā€™s recently surfaced that there were some major changes in how the FBI collects crime statistics that easily account for most of the drop Biden has been bragging on. Still, you are right that there is no evidence of a real ā€œCRIME EPIDEMICā€ nationally. Still, we are not talking about people that are likely to vote for Democrats here.

                  Moderate Republicans are generally okay with extreme positions as long as their core demands are met.

                  There is no such thing as a moderate Republican. All the worst things done by the first Trump administration were driven by and perfectly consistent with ā€œmoderateā€ Republican policies and rhetoric. Even January 6 was just the next logical step in Republican election rigging. Aside from the spectacle, it wasnā€™t much different than the Supreme Court putting W in office.