Lemmy: “that is a fair point”
Reddit: “you fucking moron”
platform bias is real, folks. i’ve had lots of the lemmy F’s since i’ve been here.
That is a fair point.
You fucking moron!
I made the mistake of poking my head into /c/communism the other day. If you have a constructive opinion about something, speak up and join the chat over there! You will soon learn that you are a fascist baby killer as well, regardless of who you actually are.
It was a breath of fresh air, lemmie tell ya.
Yep, that was one of the places. Well not /c/communism directly, more like /c/latestagecapitalism showed up on my feed, which is essentially the same thing. I responded to a post without looking at the community, saying (respectfully) that I thought a 70% tax is ridiculous for any demographic or socioeconomic status and I wondered how and why innovation happens in that kind of tax system, and I learned how many ways my family could die at their hands and how I’m the reason death and disease happen in the world. The mods removed the threats but I removed my comment to stop them from returning. I didn’t know it was the communism part 2 /c/.
What’s worse is THEIR threats were being upvoted by the community and my respectful original comment and replies were being downvoted like crazy. It wasn’t just the commenters - the voters were complicit. I had ZERO upvotes other than my own. There isn’t a decent human over there if you’re not a communist. They want to kill you. They told me, in lots of ways.
Innovation would happen in that system the same way it always has.
To be fair, the top tax rate during the most productive and innovative time in American history was 91%.
THAT is what allowed innovation to actually happen - because that excess wealth was actually being used to help eliminate poverty and bring the brilliant minds that had been hamstrung by poverty into their true potential.
It seems that you have been brainwashed by the far-right “libertarians” who want nothing more than to rule their company towns with iron fists.
Top tax rate !== The tax rate actually paid
At least it was there on paper.
I had no idea about this actually. What are some good books or sources to read up on this? That’s fascinating
Google
Here’s a fair-minded article about it from Slate: https://slate.com/business/2017/08/the-history-of-tax-rates-for-the-rich.html
I find your words of the utmost distaste. Does your mothers tongue slosh around as vacuously as your own?
These days yeah, sadly :(
F
Well look, here’s a Lemmy F right here! F!
Oh god, I was blind to them. The fuckers are every where.
Ack! another one.
That’s quite a fair point.
I think the reason behind that is that it’s a new place and people are shy in new environments. Not only they behave more cautious but they lurk more (which leads to more lurking by others).
Did you get that you fucking moron?
Yes, I’m a bit of a moron, but I still want to be fair. In every single community I read the same comment on and on again. It goes something like this:
People in name_of_community are x.
With its obvious variation
name_of_community is y.
That always sounds to me both strange and nonsensical. Every large set of beings is, obviously, large. We’re always sampling it from a very biased perspective. You may be unlucky in your interactions; or perhaps you’re more tactful; or you’ve connected in a very bad day; etc., etc., etc… So saying that name_of_community is y is just a Quixotian attack on a windmill.
If that gets you high, elated, if it makes you feel better about yourself because you’re not like them, please go ahead and keep enjoying yourself. But also remember you’re riding an beaten old horse, wearing a rusty armor, and talking nonsense.
Those giants won’t slay themselves.
“Charge, Rocinante!”
Are you fucking sorry??
No, this is Patrick.
Lurk moar
I’m wondering if it’s the lurkers. Based on personal experience: I enjoyed Reddit from the sidelines for years–never made an account. Switch to Lemmy and few users means no conversation, so I figured I’d jump in. But it turns out I’m a pretty boring, literal, mild-mannered commenter. Nice, but no zing. I’m still kind of waiting for the banter.
Good lord I can’t imagine having had browsed reddit without an account. The default subs were always so awful/toxic. It was nice having a curated list of hobby subs and cat pics and such
That’s how my husband did it, but he misses so much I don’t know if it’s culture but awareness? Eavesdropping? People watching? It was a lot of scrolling, but also a lot of things I wouldn’t have heard of any other way
I feel this. It felt like anything I ever had to comment had been said a dozen times by the time I stumbled into a thread, so I rarely felt any need or desire to post on Reddit. Here, I almost feel obligated to, just to keep the threads going. Part of me is excited to see the activity keep picking up here, but part of me is enjoying actually feeling like my boring-ass comments are worth posting, and also knowing said lame comments aren’t going to get heaped with random snark. Feels like the medium size forums I used to frequent back in the 00s and early 10s.
You’re not allowed to be mild mannered you idiot. Them’s the rules. Now engage me in ill intentioned banter. We will meet at dawn.
no zing doesn’t get the upvotes though!
And that’s exactly what i want. So over the recycled, rehashed, reposted, or whatever that has become of almost every subreddit.
can we go back to sharing information and solutions and it being at least kind of fun
This.
(I’m sorry)
A lot of the comments/ jokes were just recycled forced humour karma whoring, because people knew they’d get top content and a quadrillion upvotes for writing the same old shit over and over again
As a Reddit user who’s recently moved to Lemmy - that’s a fair point, you fucking moron
Now that’s just Australia.
As a Australian, I can conferm
As a fern bush, I difern
I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here
I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.
I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.
It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.
On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.
I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…
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I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.
However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.
I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.
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Easy, destructive state vector upload. Now we need to figure out the download and body creation part
I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.
Bigotry should not be tolerated.
Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.
Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.
Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.
It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society.
It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.
You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.
That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.
And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere
I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.
It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.
Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.
Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?
When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.
I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.
Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.
The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.
This is why politics can’t not be a cesspit.
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Dwight you ignorant slut
You twat…
Jk don’t shoot me
I don’t think he could hear you with that bell end in your mouth, mate…
I’ll bollocks you mate
I hope Lemmy moves past this phase of directly measuring itself in every way, real and imagined, against Reddit. Doesn’t seem like a healthy way to start the community. We need our own identity if we ever hope for this to take hold.
That is a fair point.
Accctttualy I work in the points job sector and technicalllly it is more of a “fine” point.
You fucking moron
That is also a fair point.
New response just dropped.
Actual zombie.
Google en passant.
I think getting rid of the karma system would make a world of difference. Keep votes visible on comments and posts but no total tally. All it does is bring tons of bots to farm it, and the kind of people who obsess over fake internet points… Which are always miserable assholes that we don’t need. I’ve really been enjoying how laid back every has been on here in the few days I’ve been here. I still have no clue how a decent portion of it works but I like figuring it out and seeing everyone actually being pleasnt in the comments.
This.
I guess its just natural to make comparisons between two similar products, but its something I’m sure will settle down over the coming months. I just hope that the community remains how it is and doesn’t become toxic in the way Reddir became after gaining the popularity.
I’m sure we’re going to see all sorts of behaviour here soon if we aren’t already. The Reddit attitude I hope we avoid as much as possible is that pointlessly aggressive tone though. Not just in arguments but responses to posts from people who seem to have only just learnt the word fuck and use it to add an extra condescending slant to their weirdly celebrated rant about how someone misread a paper or something.
It seems like I’ve noticed a little more of that redditbaggery the last 2 days. Could be that I’ve just been on here more though.
What I’ve hated about arguing in reddit was that they would attack things that are not relevant to the discussion at hand, like grammar, past post of the user that’s not even remotely related to the discussion.
Also they get needlessly attached to phrases and words on people’s replies taking away the context and attaching their own ideas to that. That kind of style of argument is very detrimental to civilized discourse and super exhausting to engage in.
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Idk, I think it’s interesting to see the general public ‘grading’ opinions and information.
It definitely plays a huge role in the echo-chamber effect, but it’s not like lemmy is diverting from that utility.
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TBH I’ve seen (and engaged in) plenty of the latter on Lemmy too. The only place where I’ve seen such behavior actually banned was themotte
I’m sorry but I have to ask or it’ll bother me for the rest of my life: is it “the motte” (the moth in German), or “them otte”, like otter missing an r?
“The motte” as in “motte-and-bailey”
The obvious answer here is of course: yes
I thought it tasted purple.
Lets test this…
Abortion should be illegal because that would help population grow faster, leading to more cheap labor that would benefit everyone. It should also be illegal to be gay, because gay people cannot have children and all major companies need more workers. Gay people are also not as fun to joke with during lunch. Therefore having gay people in your company will decrease the productivity of your workers.
What steps did you take today to prevent the spread of gay and abortions?
I ate a frog.
that is a fair point you fucking moron
Nice bait
> What steps did you take today to prevent the spread of gay and abortions?
By blocking you.
You have the spine of a gummy bear.
Well, if a proportion of people are born gay, then more abortions will mathematically lead to fewer gays, so being anti-abortion is being pro-gay.
If you really want to test it, then you’ve got to post an opinion that disagrees with both of the two main dominant opinions and is a bit more complex rather than just staunchly for/against something.
So say that you’re against abortion, except advocate strongly for it in the event of rape or mental disabilities. And say that you’re not against gay people, but against same sex marriage and gay people should just be celibate their whole lives.
And if you really want to ruffle some feather, say that you don’t think pedophiles should be put in jail. Only child molesters/rapists should be jailed.
Aren’t a ton of Lemmy users from Reddit? That being said, I’ve had more positive interactions here than on Reddit, but I haven’t been on Lemmy that long.
To be honest i think it is just number and bell curve. A smaller user base will have less extreme, and strangely more opinions as no critical mass for a general trend to be form. Just my guess and source is trust me bro.
source is trust me bro
Verified. Source: we got this
The subset of users that switched to Lemmy is smart enough to get over the “select an instance”-hurdle and fine with being on a smaller website with less content. This results in a different kind of interaction. Poeple here seem to still remember that there are actually living people behind those usernames. If Lemmy keeps growing there will be more chances to have the proper “go fuck yourself”-kind of interaction we are used to.
I joined lemmy to tell someone to stick something in their butt, so I think you are being somewhat optimistic.
The best reason to join a website I read today.
Since Lemmy isn’t for profit I think that’ll delay features that cater to the lowest common denominator, thus extending our current period of quality discussions.
One can dream.
I’ve already had a couple xd
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Yep. Not understanding kept me from joining Mastodon before.
Might be the absence of boomers then.
More and more shills (and people polarized by shills) will work their way in. Personally I believe we’re in a honeymoon phase.
I commented on this when encountering the 2nd type of person on here. As it gains popularity you’ll encounter more of them, it’s inevitable.
A few weeks ago it was great here. Interactions were mostly positive. But now I am beginning to see the same thing that happened to Reddit happen to Lemmy: people are bringing their color politics into every conversation. Like, a comment can be just a comment, upvoting or downvoting it doesn’t mean that you’re supporting/betraying Republicans or Democrats.
Don’t you know that’s just [insert political/social/idealogical bad group] rhetoric? Of course they’d want us all to just ignore the intense politics present in boring bog standard opinions and prentend like people can converse without making grand political statements! [Boogeyman of the week] wants us docile and disengaged from the complete everpresent idealogical war which only a select few can perceive! I have to connect this to every facet of my life to satisfy my obsession or then my therapist might be right that I’m delusional!
you fucking a fair point
The fediverse is far more open to the idea of being a “marketplace of ideas” .
That is what Reddit was before Spez got greedy and abandoned the liberal ideas that made Reddit great when Aaron Swartz was around.
The world would be a much better place with Aaron Swartz and more people like him. He was such a good dude.
I would bet Aaron would have contributed to an alternative too knowing how Spez and Knothing are.
💯
He was too good for this planet.
Everyone in this thread are fucking morons.
I’m not, I’m just here to promote “Barbie”.
Can we just get back to
Rampartbeans please?Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie! (Sometimes I get mistaken for you.) Is it true each meal you got on the set of Barbie was served in 600 tiny Barbie-sized toy plates?
That’s esteemed Academy Award and Golden Globe nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!
Anyways, yes, the studio had to custom build hundreds of tiny fully functional dishwasher specifically for this, but I feel that only this level of method acting will finally let me win that Oscar that I rightfully deserve. (Stupid Frances McDormand)
Glad our country didn’t ban your film
That sure was a doozy.
I mean you’re not wrong
You make a fair point.
Moron, reporting for duty!
You called
That’s a fair point. But I’m not. :)
It’s just “manager”
