Most people I know are only wearing masks now if they catch colds and flus and don’t want to spread it when going out and in public.
Which seems to me to be when you’d WANT your food service employee (whom you probably forced to work while sick) to wear one, so that they don’t spread it to the rest of your staff. But I guess I’m not a fast food company corporate executive, so what do I know?
Yeah it’s bizarre how they’re acting. As a customer, I’d feel better if the people preparing the food I’m consuming were wearing masks. It’s like they took the total opposite of wanting to appease their customers.
It’s not bizarre at all, it’s typical attitudes of conservative bull-headed contrarian trolls like always.
Well it is bizarre from gastronomical industry point of view. They probably require wearing hair nets, but a snot on a burger is acceptable.
I guarantee you they wouldn’t require hairnets if they didn’t have to by law. They have to pay for those hairnets.
yup. given the choice of COVID-contaminated boogers or a strand of hair, I’ll take the hair any day of the week. but that’s the problem isn’t it? most people only get grossed out by things they can see. It’s a total failure of science education.
Exactly. And this is no different than the way they behaved during the entirety of the lockdown anyway, so I don’t know why people are surprised that conservatives are still acting like conservatives have been acting for years.
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They’d rather everyone be sick and customers think no one is sick then to have customers think someone is sick because they’re wearing a mask
That’s probably it right there, the good old bury your head in the sand method.
To be fair, if you are soulless and going to make them work when they’re sick anyway, why would you care if they infected the rest of the staff?
If all your employees get sick, who’s labor are you supposed to exploit?
The sick people. Because they make people work even when they’re sick
Bills don’t get sick
I’m sure they’d find a way to screw over the farmers and logistics chain
What about the customers though? Do you really want that traced back to your store? Seems like such a bad idea.
I agree it’s a bad idea, that’s one of the many reasons to not make your workers work sick, but these people aren’t exactly critical thinkers
Personally as a customer, I’d want them at home sick and getting better than in work at all in that condition.
The vast majority of people here do not wear masks. My frickin mom, who has cancer and a heart condition, has even stopped wearing one when she has an issue and has to go to the MFin emergency room. WTF. I had COVID like 2.5 years ago so probably alpha based on the timing and it was a mild case but it WRECKED me. My only symptom was a really bad headache one day then a mild headache for about a week where it just felt like I needed more coffee, any caffeine addicts out there would know what I mean. But after I had the worst cognitive defects that I could barely finish a sentence, couldn’t remember common words, etc. It was awful. It didn’t get better after vaccination, which I got for the first time about 2 months after the infection. I’m much better now but still not how I was. I don’t want to get this again even after having had it and all available vaccines and I can’t fathom why anyone else who has had it wants it again. I can’t understand sick and old people who walk around bare faced. I can’t understand healthy people who want to risk it. Why, people? Even the cancer center no longer requires a mask. It’s nuts.
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I don’t know a single person who wears a mask as a political statement. Even during the pandemic, it wasn’t common to think that way, no matter what the propaganda of the time said. People who wore them did it out of courtesy for those around them. I don’t imagine that has changed.
People who wear masks are usually wearing them because they don’t want to spread illness. Either they’re ill themselves or they have or know someone with an immunodeficiency that puts them at risk.
Yeah I was just thinking I’d rather all food workers wear masks regardless of whether or not they’re carrying something.
The company that hides bible verses on its soda cups‽ You don’t say!!
I’ll say this, back when the founders were around in the 00’s, even with the Bible verses, they intentionally prioritized pay and food quality over growth. Then the kids took over the business. The kids are probably going kill what made that place special because they’re greedy and selfish.
Sounds about right. Who was it? Carnegie? Rockefeller? that said it takes 3 generations to squander wealth.
the kids
From the outside looking in, that seems like the most American thing ever.
Hold my beer…
That sounds like a colossal waste of money spent on extra ink no one’s going to read.
Their executive team prays before meetings.
First time I’ve seen the interrobang in the wild in a while.
Excellent.
Had no idea. Only eaten there twice before, once when no other options were available. It was terrible both times. It is so overhyped. Never wanted to eat there again, but the Bible verses thing adds to my decision. Pretty weird and creepy, honestly.
Technically it’s not the verse, it’s just something like “Matthew 12:9.” Still stupid and pointless. And definitely weird and creepy. It’s on the underside of the packaging where most people won’t look, which makes it weirder.
Oh, really? Yyyyep. That explains everything.
Don’t worry, Jesus will save you from the crippling diarrhea you might get because we require workers to come in sick and don’t let them cover their mouths.
And don’t worry, the dracula sneeze has been BANNED. Our employees let their snot spray proudly and free. No wicked vampire posturing at In-N-Out Burger.
See… this is the point at which the whole conservative covid reaction, to me, goes from just weird and unsettling to full-on bug-eyed insane. AND hypocritical.
Their whole deal with masks and vaccines is that they should have the right to decide for themselves. I think they make dumbass decisions that cause entirely avoidable harm, but okay - I can grant at least some bare semblace of legitimacy to self-determination. I don’t vagree, but at least I can see their underlying logic.
But banning masks? What the actual fuck? What possible difference can it make in their lives that somebody else is wearing a mask? And what happened to their whole self-determination thing? Do they sincerely believe that nobody should be able to tell them whether or not they have to wear a madk and that they should be able to tell other people whether or not they can? How does that even work inside their brains? What possible logic leads to “I don’t have to do what you say but you DO have to do what I say”?
Seriously, are they literally insane? I sincerely can’t think of any other explanation. It’s not just people acting in some way other than my preference, but people acting in a way that’s blitheringly irrational, even by their own principles.
I suspect that when future historians write about this era, they’re going to call it something like The Idiot Age, because to them it will be marked by people inexplicably doing obviously and painfully stupid and irrational things.
Their whole deal with masks and vaccines is that they should have the right to decide for themselves.
Close, that’s what they said they believe. Anyone watching them actually behave during the pandemic knew that anyone wearing a mask was liable to be attacked by these brainless psychos ranting about the “kung flu” or whatever other racist name they had for it merely for wearing a mask in their presence.
I wasn’t directly attacked but my friend and I had the same experience in our 60% Trump area.
We weren’t together when each incident happened, but they’re so similar I’ll describe them together.
We were just at the checkout: me at a convenience store; my friend at a major grocery store chain.
So, we couldn’t reasonably move away. We had to stand there to pay for our purchases.
An old man encroached my space; an old woman encroached my friend’s space. We both politely asked them to step back for social distancing, and they refused.
I wish I had my friend’s ability to think and speak on his feet. After he checked out, he told the old lady “I asked for you to do something, that cost you nothing. All you had to do was take a few steps back. I hope in the future, if you ask someone the same, they treat you like you did to me.”
As for me? Even though I just said my request and didn’t respond further, the guy was a huge jerk who tailgated me for several miles in his huge pickup truck. Like headlights in my mirror tailgating… during the day.
Who tf cares that much? Honestly… just take a few steps back. Doesn’t cost you anything, like my friend said.
As for me? Even though I just said my request and didn’t respond further, the guy was a huge jerk who tailgated me for several miles in his huge pickup truck. Like headlights in my mirror tailgating… during the day.
And then they wonder why people don’t want them on lemmy.
They don’t believe anything. They think what they’re told to think. They check Fox News all day every day to make sure what they’re supposed to think hasn’t changed but they have no beliefs. And they’re willing to go along with literally anything as long as it doesn’t require critical thinking. It’s terrifying and sad.
Dealt with that shit a lot. Thankfully the old “My grandma has cancer and I don’t want to be the one to kill her” line usually worked.
They were lying. They said they supported self-determination to throw out the existing laws, and with those laws gone they passed laws that enforced their morals, which was the ultimate end goal.
Their whole deal with everything is that they should decide for you.
The Idiot Age
The Great Polarization
Their whole deal with masks and vaccines is that they should have the right to decide for themselves.
Yeah, and before the Civil War the South’s rhetoric was that they should have the right to decide for themselves whether to allow slavery, but if you look at the constitution of the confederacy it doesn’t exactly allow the member states to choose not to allow slavery. It’s all opportunistic.
They are lying, plain and simple. From pot, to interracial marriages they have always been the party that’s the most obsessed with controlling people’s personal lives. Everytime we act surprised about the “hypocrisy” were playing into their propaganda. They want to build Gilead and will tell people what ever gets them closer to their white nationalist goals.
It’s not a new thing, it’s the slave master’s concept of rights: “It is my right to to take away other people’s rights.”
I mean, businesses like these want their employees to look the same.
Having some wear masks and some not is jarring for the pearl-clutchers of the world.
To be honest, if any of you put a little bit of thought into this, you’d come up with some pretty rational conclusions.
Whether you agree with the policy or not is up to you. But trying to argue they’re ‘literally insane’ is just hyperbole to cover up your lack of understanding and insight into the situation.
So that is a reasonable take? They don’t want people to wear masks because they’ll look different? That’s a lot of justification for an absurd corporate mandate.
Chains like these care a lot about consistency across their brand.
Being in the workforce for 40 years now I do understand how corporations feel.
Masks help in general. And if an employee who has a cold wants to wear a mask that’s a net benefit for customers and society.
Maybe I have more faith in the American people to NOT FREAK the fuck out if they walk into somewhere that has a masked worker.
Probably unreasonable. Ideas of personal choice - until it comes to something where people disagree. Then personal choice gets removed.
These businesses care a lot about presentation.
While it would be nice if people viewed wearing masks in a restaurant as cleaner and more-inviting, that’s just not the case.
People have evolved to become suspicious of those who cover their faces.
I guess it really says something about those people who view masks as an attack on themselves based on your statements
I don’t think viewing someone as suspicious is the same as them attacking you.
If they actually cared about safety and consistency, they would make mask wearing required for everyone. But they don’t care about consistency because they argued at first that everyone should have their own choice, and they don’t care about safety because they are now banning usage of PPE. The article states that In-In-Out’s statement was about being able to see people’s faces, not uniform consistency. The article also mentions a specific location that was shut down due to vaccine mandate violations, which corporate appears to have supported, which has nothing to do with uniform consistency and everything to do with some very specific political nonsense. Your argument really doesn’t hold water, and it should be a serious offense to prevent a worker from using safety equipment. Especially safety equipment that has a good chance of keeping them from having to use any sick days (do they even get sick days?).
No, they don’t care.
They care about optics, which they’ve concluded will make them more money than logic or reason.
Also of note is the fact that the memo is addressed to employees in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Utah. That leaves two states where In-N-Out operates — California and Oregon — that are apparently exempt from the mandate.
So does In n Out not care about customer service in California and Oregon? Or do they not care about safety in other states?
Just kidding. I know they don’t care about either. Luckily there’s a restaurant near me that has basically copied their recipes so I don’t have to worry about contributing to some regressive idiots.
Not a lawyer, but they’d be sticking their head into the teeth of California’s COVID-19 Prevention Non-Emergency Regulations. This batch took effect in February 2023 and are authorized for the next two years. Don’t know about Oregon.
From the Cal/OSHA Title 8 regulations:
§3205. COVID-19 Prevention. (f) Face coverings. (4) No employer shall prevent any employee from wearing a face covering, including a respirator, when not required by this section, unless it would create a safety hazard.
Is that somewhere in CA? I would like another option.
Hayes Burger in San Diego
Thanks. It looks nice, but a 2 hours away, I will try when visiting SD.
The source for this is a tweet from someone unaffiliated with In-N-Out.
(ie, it’s probably false)
Still, In-N-Out sucks and you can do better.
Still, In-N-Out sucks and you can do better
I would like to know more
Edit: ok so far in the comments we got a fictional burger joint from a 90’s nickelodeon sketch, whataburger because margot robbie may or may not have endorsed it and she’s hot so she must know a lot about fast food hamburgers, and five guys which everyone knows is the superior sandwich but twice as expensive. Got it. I think I’ll hit In’n’out tonight.
Good Burger, home of the Good Burger.
Burgerville is pretty good if you live in the PNW. It’s downsides are that it’s overpriced for what you get and it’s had some labor issues that don’t put ownership in a good light.
Five guys
A regular cheeseburger and fries at 5 guys is $16 + tax. A double double and fries at In n Out is $7 + tax
Mmm, nothing beats the price of exploitation, you can taste the desperation in the cheese.
Margot Robbie endorses Whataburger:
Whataburgertm, Because It’s Right There. (Go watch Vengeance too.)
Only if they bring back the A1 Thick & Hearty Burger though. A heart attack never tasted so good.
Edit: Wait, someone with a busy job who travels a lot for work is not allowed to know about fast food burgers now?
What proof do you have it’s probably false? The article clearly has a big “if” in the last paragraph concerning the validity of the leaked memo.
If you have no facts to back your opinion, it’s worth far less than this article.
If you don’t like this, tell them how you feel:
https://www.in-n-out.com/contact/
For my California friends, here’s the relevant code: https://www.dir.ca.gov/title8/3205.html
They might as well have said they just banned hairnets or revoked any “Employees must wash hands” policies.
Sorry, In-N-Out. I love your burgers, but I can’t make a responsible decision to eat at your restaurants if you’re proactively banning basic hygiene measures from being practiced in your stores. This posturing is little more than an empty platitude based on a backwards understanding of basic health and hygiene, and until they can understand that, they won’t have my business anymore.
I love In-N-Out, and miss their Animal-style burgers and fries, but this right here is the reason I haven’t gone to one since the pandemic. If they are politicizing this basic act of public health and hygiene, as they did with their refusal to enforce mask mandates while thousands of people were dying every day, then what other hygiene practices are they ignoring?
They are overrated anyways.
Yeah, I never got the hype. Pretty standard fare.
as a Brit in the us I’ve come to understand its all nostalgia.
I would absolutely demolish a Wimpy for nostalgia’s sake back home, despite it being mid fast food
That’s exactly what it is. It’s the fast food I grew up with. It’s the burger I ate after going to the beach. It’s the burger I ate when my roommate was too lazy to go out, so he’d give me money and his car keys to go get it. It’s the burger I ate in high school and college with classmates.
Well over thirty years after all of the above, it still takes me back to those simpler times.
I rarely go anymore because of some of their politics and the fact that they’ve more or less disregarded employee training in their Texas stores where I live now. The California employees know what the hell they’re doing to a man. The Texas employees, well, not so much.
The soggy fries, everybody seems to love, gross me out.
You can order them well done.
Wait, soggy? I guess it depends on the place then. Their fries in my favorite place are a hit or miss (most of the times they add too much salt), but I don’t remember them being soggy.
Soggy isn’t a good description here, but they don’t do a double-step cooking process to give them the really good crispiness. The burgers are great for the price, but yeah the fries are def mid.
Way better when you ask for them well done fwiw
I don’t like them normal but I like them light. I am a freak.
Yet they always have lines around the block. People can’t get enough of the animal-style.
An In-N-Out trip is going to be at least a 20 minute wait if you’re going through the drive thru. I’ve never seen a dead In-N-Out. They are always absurdly busy.
Hey, the title of your post and the title of the article don’t match. This breaks rule 4, could you maybe change the title?
How do you reconcile rule 4 with blatantly false and disingenuous titles on articles that don’t match their own content?
A comment explaining the actual situation and marking the title with [READ THE COMMENTS]?
Not sure whether we can pin comments here on Lenmy.
So… employees with congestion should just leave their nose bare and potentially get snot on their burgers?
Yes. It is evident that banning masks is more important when corporations feelings get hurt at the existence of said masks.
So remember:
Personal choice here is not ok Virtue signaling is ok - as long as you are signaling virtues that agree with conservative feelings Feelings over facts
Kind of crazy how those three talking points are argued ad nauseam in the other direction. Yet seem to be the only supporting reasons here. Hmm. I wish there were a phrase that describes saying one thing and doing another.
So human spittle is a vital ingredient at In-N-Out ?
Droolers love drool.
That’s really messed up. It doesn’t affect my experience as a customer and frankly I’d anything, it makes things better, because mask also blocks any droplets. So if employee even gets a cold I’m less likely to catch it too.
It should be treated like wearing a hair net.If employee wants to wear it, it is hard for me do see any downside by letting them.
Just another reason not to go to In-N-Out
You mean besides the shitty burgers and fries?
It depends what you look for in the budger. If you like a big portion, a lot of meat, then In n Out is not for you.
But a lot of people like burger created that way.
I’ll notice that you didn’t say anything about their fries. It’s ok. Their fries are indefensible.
They’re edible if you get them “well done”. Then they’re like rectangular potato chips.
I’ll take your word for it.
It’s not even the best fast food burger in town. I have at least 3 places within walking distance that have better burgers.
Right, be consistent and ban hairnets because employees wearing them reminds customers that their hair falls out. It’s all about consistency! Lol
Gloves? Good as gone! How dare you insinuate that hands are unsanitary? Customers have those too, that’s just rude!
It’s all alleged at the moment, but if found true, fine their ass
Good thing I don’t live anywhere near an In-N-Out. Saves me the trouble of avoiding them.
So the people that like to complain the most about their freedoms being taken away seem more than happy to restrict the freedom of others.
