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Or even better, a fork of Firefox which disable all that telemetry crap and bundle with uBlock Origin : LibreWolf.
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Wow wow wow, care to explain ? This r huge news for me
The original dev handed over development to a team and left, new cunts removed his name from project and made donation links, original dev came back and made ublock origin which is now the best adblock out there.
I’ve only known ublock as ublock origin had no idea of this fiasco
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Fr, people need to stop the lies that firefox itself is a privacy respecting browser, which it isnt- not since it was bought out years back.
LibreWolf and Mullvad are great examples of Firefox Forks that are ACTUALLY privacy focused browsers.
Bought out? Firefox was never bought out by anyone. What are you talking about?
My bad, bought out was the wrong way to word it- I should have said “Made partnerships with-” then listed Google and Yahoo(defunct), China and Russia.
If you watch this video discussing how privacy respect firefox is by default- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls you’ll see the telemetry they collect is miles long and Firefox is no better at protecting your privacy than Chrome/Chromium is whatsoever.
Definitely recommend Librewolf or Mullvad, which are actual privacy respecting browsers, even Chromium forks like Brave are better than default firefox.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=Fr8UFJzpNls
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
The new Mullvad browser is even better, and regularly maintained. But a little bit further down on the privacy end of the Spectrum and further from the useability end. Watch out for timezones, that one always gets me!
Mullvad has a browser now? Sweet! I’ve been a fan of their no nonsense approach to VPN for a while now.
Yeah it’s basically TOR browser without the TOR network. Created in direct collaboration with TOR.
LibreWolf is so clean and minimal, whenever I go back to Firefox it feels bloated in comparison.
Is it as simple to use out of the box as Firefox or does it require some tinkering first?
No tinkering required, technically you could achieve the same result with regular Firefox + tinkering.
It’s as simple out of the box but with a greater focus on privacy with telemetry off and the pocket integration disabled.
Can confirm. Started using it yesterday after another comment. It’s pretty much plain FF, so works well right out of the gate. I enabled some features in the setting like Firefox sync and allow DRM media, but I’m really liking it.
I’ve found that it might not work on banking sites because of the fingerprinting protection. Be warned, if you try to use on banking sites, you may be locked out. I suggest you do all banking and stuff on a separate browser that saves cookies and tracks you.
I don’t have issue on my banking site but I’m not surprised, privacy settings tend to break some sites.
but hardened firefox 😏
Shut up, you godless furry
This!
Godless furry bot: when
Stumbled over that last week. There is a company where I buy nearly all my computer stuff from, and I’m a customer for more than 20 years.
I wanted to order parts for a high-end PC, but simply could not add the motherboard to the shopping cart. Everything else was already in there. I called them, and they asked me if I used Firefox. And they told me in no uncertain terms that Firefox was dead and would no longer be supported for “safety and security reasons”, I should use Chrome or Edge instead.
If their site is too stupid to cope with Firefox, why the heck does it not tell me about this upfront, e.g. when I try to enter an item into the shopping cart?
I’ve had a few websites tell me to view their website in Chrome. I just leave, because no way am I putting any kind of personal data into a website run by such incompetent people.
I used to be a web developer. Back 8 years ago, you used to have to do a lot of special tricks to make your website look and function the same in all the browsers. Now, you really don’t. Unless you’re using some really obscure closed source codec or something, websites literally render and function properly without needing any browser specific code fixes.
There’s no excuse, unless you’re blocking older versions of every browser for security reasons, which is fine, because browsers update automatically these days, and it’s very rare for someone to be running a really old version.
Usually the thing about the webpage not working is just codeword for “we have not tested it and we won’t”. If you really need to access it, there are some extensions that can change your user agent so the page thinks you are in chromium.
This is the one I use.
Chameleon is another good plugin for this
This is not fully true. Recently I had problems with keyboard press event propagation working differently on button elements and CSS scroll snapping behaving differently when new items are appended in the scroll container. Both are not really obscure.
I use an user agent switcher in those cases. Most of the time it works and I dont have to change the browser.
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While you are basically right with that, just imagine the computer shop where all the IT professionals go to get their stuff. I’m a customer there for more than 20 years because they are good. If there was any good alternative, I might be tempted to change, but so far I have not heard of such a thing.
That sucks.i am not going to not use Firefox, fuck chrome
Funnily enough, I can’t log into my bank on chrome, but Firefox works just fine.
LOL I work in IT for a rather large company and we are supposed to use FF because it’s actually more secure and is more reliable than chromium browsers.
What’s the source for that claim? To my understanding, Firefox first got sandboxed processes for sites in 2021, and only recently this year got features to sandbox the GPU processes as well - playing catch-up by many years to Chrome, and exposing attack vectors for sites to gain access to OS-level API’s to meanwhile. And to my understanding, neither are enabled by default on Firefox for Android, because of ongoing compatibility issues for years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1610822
My take is that Firefox or its’ derivatives are better for privacy, while Chromium is better for security, due to the vastly greater development resources.
I work at home in the health field and the only browser they have us use for everything is chrome. It makes me laugh honestly.
“Firefox is bad because I got a virus one time and Firefox was my default browser therefore Firefox gave my computer a virus”- my brother
Firefox rules, people need to smarten up. Hell, Firefox on Android has an Adblock extension. Firefox is what’s up.
It’s also as fast, if not faster, than Chrome now.
Is Firefox for Android getting faster as expected? Last time, it seems very slow. I might switch back from Vivaldi if tests seem very well.
I recently switched to Firefox Nightly on Android and haven’t noticed it being any slower than the previous chromium browser I was using. I did opt to forgo the Dark Reader add-on for it though since that was slowing down webpage rendering a bit.
I recently switched from Opera to Firefox.
I was getting 59 FPS average in Opera, full bore 165 FPS / Hz in Firefox.
I didn’t -want- to switch but it’s objectively faster, especially on Linux.
There’s a work around for Firefox nightly that allows installation of any add-on too, eg sponsor block.
The fact that it needs a workaround is still bullshit.
No work around is needed. You can install a very limited number of extensions on Firefox mobile and they are the ones you want the most. This includes uBlock Origen.
hey are the ones **you **want the most
You don’t know which extensions I want most. I want:
- uBlock Origin ✅
- Consent-o-Matic ❌ - but the sort of thing they might eventually add to the blessed list with enough begging
- Bypass Paywalls ⛔ - Mozilla will never recommend this or even distribute it on its addons site
3-4 years ago, I could install any extension I wanted. I reject their stated reasons for barring me from doing so (security, stability - those are on me once I start installing unsupported add-ons) and use Kiwi Browser instead.
does android firefox have a desktop mode for tablets / dex?
Wait it does? I need to go look into that.
The issue for me with Firefox on Android is it would sometimes refuse to load pages when switching back after being suspended from the background and I have no clue why. I’d have to open a new tab and copy the URL to force it to load and it was so frustrating.
I use Brave now (with the promotional stuff off, even though I still don’t fully trust them), since it seems to be the only other ad-blocking browser on Android that’s even decently easy to use. However, I still use Firefox on Windows with tree style tabs and raindrop.io to sync bookmarks, both of which are god tier productivity tools.
I get this issue every now and then with Chrome.
Privacy is like the least important reason I use Firefox. With Microsoft Edge and Opera being based on Chromium now there are just so many of them. With Chromium essentially becoming the de facto standard because everyone uses it that means Google can ignore web standards and just do whatever they want.
What are the important reasons?
Everything else I said, sorry if that wasn’t clear!
Essentially there are organizations like W3C and IEEE that define standards for how the internet works and how websites behave. All browsers follow these so everything works properly. Let’s say you have some idea you want to add to your browser you develop. You do it and tell everyone about it. You don’t have many users. Maybe a few sites do it but it isn’t really a problem that it doesn’t work on other browsers because so few people do it.
Chromium has a massive market share because so many browsers use it as their base. Even Opera and Microsoft Edge which historically have been alternatives to Google Chrome now use Chromium as their base. The danger is that Chromium has such a large user base that they are essentially what the standard is.
As a quick aside, Chromium is the name for the open source base of Google Chrome. Chrome itself is technically not open source. This jus thust in case you or other readers haven’t seen that word.
Imagine a world where everyone uses Chromium. Why would you (if you were in charge of Chromium) need to listen to what standards organizations say about how the web should work? You’re literally in charge of every browser! You can just add some new features or take some out and every website would have to comply because you (in this hypothetical) truly do control every single web browser on the planet. Their websites would not work otherwise.
Sure, out of the goodness of your heart you might behave and be a good steward but there will always be reasons for you to act against the standards that you don’t view as “bad” that other people might think are bad. I’m not saying all standards organizations are perfect and good or anything like that, but I believe I trust them more than Google.
Even if Google never does anything “bad” (naive thinking lol) avoiding the situation where they have that kind of power is a good thing.
To me that’s the most important reason to use a non-Chromium based browser. To avoid Chromium becoming the one true browser.
And just for some context, Google has done bad things before with regards to web standards and then having the de facto standard with Chrome. The recent changes to the extension API to neuter ad blocking being a prime example. And we don’t even have to speculate and sound like nutjobs. They’re a public company. They’ve said before that ad-blocking is one of the biggest threats to their ad revenue. Not that it feels tin foil hatty to suggest even if they hadn’t said it, but they actually have said it in reports.
organizations like W3C and IEEE that define standards for how the internet works and how websites behave
Too bad those organizations kept dragging their feet, writing standards by committee and making them unimplementable, pushing stuff like XHTML that nobody in their sane mind wanted… until the WHATWG called quits on them and focused on a working living standard: a reference free open source browser that anyone could just copy+paste to meet the standard.
Nowadays we call that “Chromium”.
Why do you believe Google would not be able to ignore the WHATWG the same way they could ignore other standards organizations if they controlled the entire browser market?
Well, for starters the WHATWG listens to Google, not the other way around. And yeah, they do “control” the entire “browser market”, or more precisely, the part they care about: how to show ads.
Then you’re just agreeing but saying it’s already happened.
That’s one way of seeing it.
I don’t agree with the W3C or IEEE defining the standards anymore, or with Chromium becoming a “de facto” standard; the whole point of creating the WHATWG was to explicitly ditch the W3C, make Chromium into the basis for a living standard… and everyone clapped (except for some die hards who didn’t get the memo).
No actually we don’t. Chromium isn’t a reference implementation. And while XHTML was handled poorly the idea behind it was actually very interesting. Didn’t pan out and was buried years ago. So what.
Chromium isn’t a reference implementation
Could fool me, since it implements all WHATWG standards… or is it the other way around?
XHTML didn’t just “not pan out”; the W3C kept beating its dead horse carcass, like it did with many others. The W3C didn’t pan out and was handled poorly, even though the idea behind it was actually very interesting.
That it allows Google to destroy the open internet by changing the standards until non-Chromium browsers can’t engage with the web.
That it allows Google to destroy the open internet by changing the standards until non-Chromium browsers can’t engage with the web.
Im glad the websites have a saying in this. If google also owns these all then we are TRULY fucked.
Unfortunately, no, they don’t. As Chromium gets more and more wide spread, Google is gaining the power to change the browser standards. Websites will have to comply. If your website suddenly “Breaks” because Google won’t allow Chromium load any pages without tracking tags, users will complain to you and not google.
Yeah tech illiteracy is a thing thats true. Once they realize that its their browser that breaks their shit they will just pick a different one. Thats what i mean with google owning all the websites.
I don’t think they will. I think corporations - Who make decisions the same way soulless psychopaths would - will bend.
Using Chromium supports the destruction of the open internet.
unpopular opinion: chromium is a genuinely good thing for everyone involved. Just because chrome gets all the bitches and can dictate stuff doesnt mean chromium will break the competitions will to have their own programmers make their own fork.
Good joke.
You know what happens if a customer complains your website doesn’t work in Chrome? A bug ticket is raised, goes to a developer and they fix the “bug” so it works again.
If the developer is good they’d also make sure their “fix” doesn’t break the website for Firefox and Safari. But there are plenty of developers who only test Chrome and call it a day.
Chrome is the default browser nowadays, if it doesn’t work in Chrome you have a problem. The developer might blame Google, but the user and management won’t care.
It means Google can set the web standards, which is worse.
Competitors dont have to inherit those tho just because they are based on chromium.
It’s easier to inherit because it’s less dev time spent on a part of the browser that has less evident results for the consumer. I bet they’d rather spend money on the UX provided by UI changes rather than reworking the JavaScript engine, or anything related HTML or CSS rendering.
There’s no reason a Chromium fork can’t conform to other web standards.
Are they doing so right now?
Who is “they”?
Come on. You’re being pedantic.
…I’m not being pedantic at all. There are literally hundreds of them, each with their own programming.
Appearently brave is the most privacy focused browser. At least according to this paper from 3y ago.
https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf
Edit: guys I know that Brave is not the best browser and I wouldn’t recommend it, but I haven’t seen studies or in depth articles about technical details of privacy concerns.
And I’m not being sarcastic, I wanna see them so I can make a more informed opinion.
So chromium. Brave is based on chromium.
No. There are tracking protection extensions in Brave that aren’t in base Chromium.
I don’t support Brave or Chromium but we need to be accurate about praises and criticisms of them.
The main point people need to understand is that Chromium based browsers are heavily nerfing the ability for users to use ad-blockers. This isn’t much of an issue in the case of Brave where the ad-blocking is built into the browser itself.
And personally, I would rather have some healthy privacy based competition between browsers. Having both Librewolf (Firefox) and Brave browser (chromium) lets us have options to switch between.
It also creates additional work on the advertising side in this cat and mouse game.
Brave does not aim to block all ads, only “unacceptable” ones.
What are you talking about? I use brave and haven’t seen a single ad in ages.
If I ever accidentally open the wrong browser, I can tell immediately.There is a way to “opt-in” to view ads from their own pool of ads in exchange for crypto… But that’s automatically disabled, and there’s a toggle to hide all of the crypto stuff anyway.
I’m having deja vu. I’ve gotten this confused before and looked it up before and they don’t. I’m misremembering something from some forum post they made but I also couldn’t find that forum post last time. Regardless, their official FAQ says they don’t. I’ve deleted the comment above now.
I think you were mixing it up with Google Chrome.
Google made an announcement sometime back that they wanted to improve the standards for advertising, and if there were any ads that didn’t meet those standards they would have Chrome automatically block it.
Not sure if you’re making a joke or if you’re just unaware about the recent news, but it’s amusing either way.
Lynx
wget
I compiled wget from source
But did you compile your compiler from source? And did you compile the compiler you compiled the compiler with from source?
Yes
I seriously doubt that. Are you running a fully self compiled GNU Guix install or something?
Went there - LFS is also very nice :)
Does LFS have stage0 hex0 instructions now? How long did that take?
Carrier Pigeons
I’ve tried a bunch of time but I feel going back to Chrome.
I’m currently trying or Oprah for the first time.
LibreWolf
Wait, people hate Firefox? Why??
Vanadium on my phone.
Vivaldi is nice.
For anyone considering Firefox but still reluctant for reasons check out Waterfox. It’s been the best for me for years now. Honestly the best fork.
I use firefox for obvious privacy reasons but also because I can customize the UI. Chromium’s interface is oversized, ugly, and locked down while on firefox I can change any aspect of it using my own CSS.
Also addons against ads which Google obviously wouldn’t allow on their crap browser.
I initially read your comment as “I use firefox for obvious piracy reasons” and thought “yeah, that’s fair”.
How are you doing this? Firefox’s stock UI is even more oversize than Chrome’s and they are actively removing customization options to the UI.
Is Brave ok?
better than chrome. honestly its possibly better than vanilla firefox for normies who dont want to change configs or use a hardened fork
No, it’s a Chromium based browswer.
The swap from Brave to FF is very easy btw. I did several months ago.
