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Yep.
TOS fans in 1987: “This Next Generation show is nothing like TOS and ruins everything about Star Trek!”
TNG fans in 1993: “Deep Space 9 isn’t about exploration, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!”
DS9 fans in 1995: “Voyager isn’t going to have Klingons or Romulans and the only Vulcan is black, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!”
Voyager fans in 2001: “Enterprise is a prequel, so we know exactly what will happen, so it ruins everything about Star Trek!”
Enterprise fans a few years ago- hell, take your pick of bitching.
Enterprise fans a few years ago-
“I wonder if they’ll give this show a proper finale? Eh. Probably too much to ask. The intro music isn’t bad, at least.”
The intro music isn’t bad, at least.
“The intro music sucks and isn’t Star Trek because it’s a pop song” was like the very first complaint people made upon seeing the first episode.
It is a bad, cheesy, non-trek song that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.
I guarantee you that not only were there plenty of people who loved it the first time they heard it, there were plenty of people who loved it the first time the heard it on the Rod Stewart album they already owned when the show came out.
Now me, I hate Rod Stewart and I hate that song, but different strokes…
It’s insidious
that we ironically called good for so long we actually started liking it for real.
Yeah. That was my journey, exactly. Now I’m really fond of it.
I occasionally sneak that into a playlist while my wife and I are listening to something, and then I leave the room for a bit. I don’t do it too often, though, because I don’t want a divorce.
I like the song and the intro.
It so reminds me of Rod Stewart “Sailing”, Which was used for a TV show in the late 70’s. I hated that song more than 40 years ago and I still do, and I hate the theme song to Enterprise sounding like something from the 70’s. It seemed to me everything about Enterprise was to make humanity seem backwards and primitive but in a future SciFi setting. Like when one of the first episodes, they are totally surprised that bacteria can contaminate a planet. Something that has been well known and considered already for several decades.
It reminds you of a Rod Stewart song because… it’s a Rod Stewart song!
He did it originally. They couldn’t afford the rights to his version for the show so they re-recorded it with a guy who sounds kind of like Rod Stewart.
I get Brian Adams vibes myself.
You might, but it was a Rod Stewart song. It was also originally in the movie Patch Adams before it was in Enterprise. I don’t know why, but I think that’s amusing.
Maybe it’s because, apparently according to my searching, the songwriter also wrote songs for Bryan Adams?
I was wrong about one thing though: it wasn’t on a Stewart album, it was just on the Patch Adams soundtrack album.
OK that would explain it, but AFAIK if you rerecord it, you still need to pay royalties.
They did pay royalties. They just paid less than they would have to pay if they used the original song.
I think it’s stayed TNG and ds9 fans
You’d be wrong. There are people who consider each of those their favorite Star Trek.
I think it’s mostly still TOS fans who tend to look down on the newer series as never quite living up to the original. We are of course right to do so.
I’m a TOS fan. It was my first love and will always be my favorite Star Trek. But I cannot disagree with you more. There is a line running all through Star Trek- the ideals of the Federation and why they should be upheld. And that is what is most important about Star Trek to me in terms of living up to the original.
Ironically the first season of tng was exactly like tos and the show didn’t hit is stride until it threw that out and started doing it’s own thing
Several of the scripts were adapted from the aborted Star Trek II TV series, which was going to have most of the original crew return. Spock being the notable exception.
Enterprise enjoyers today:
It’s been a long road, getting from there to here.
All Trek fans after Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci showed up: Can we get Berman and Piller back please?
Nobody wants Berman back.
Happy if JJ never gets near a Trek set again, but as far as the new series are concerned, I’d rank them all between “pretty good” and “excellent”. Except Picard, but even that mess was at least a better send off than Nemesis.
Berman? Best thing he ever did was stay away from DS9, and that just because he was too busy making Voyager worse.
I would personally think so, but I have talked to people who say the Abramsverse movies are what got them into Trek and are their favorites.
TBF DS9 did add Star Wars battles as soon as Roddenberry died.
And none of those other predictions were true either.
“Soap opera actress Cheryl McFadden”
TIL.
I didn’t realise that Cheryl was her first name, I thought they’d made a mistake (like how they’ve spelt it Ryker).
But Wikipedia informs me that her full name is Cheryl Gates McFadden and she uses both names:
She is usually credited as Cheryl McFadden when working as a choreographer and Gates McFadden when working as an actress
Shes a famous dancer and choreographer as well, but TNG does play that up.
She was the dance choreographer and in charge of puppet movement for Labyrinth as an example.
Also, Levar Burton as the new Spock?
Yeah, it really should’ve read “Levar Burton - The New Scotty?” To which people would’ve been like “a black Scotty, WTF?” It’s kind of interesting how much the original dynamic was broken apart with the TNG crew, and glad they tried doing something different instead of just a carbon copy reboot. Some just don’t translate or were completely new “roles” that just didn’t exist in TOS.
- Kirk (Picard + Riker)
- Spock (Data)
- Bones (Crusher + Worf)
- Scotty (LaForge)
- Uhuru (Yar + Guinan + Troi)
- Sulu (Data)
- Chekov (Wesley)
- Red shirts (Gold shirts)
Except Geordi wasn’t the chief engineer yet, so that wouldn’t have worked either. That didn’t happen until season 2.
Honestly, the worst thing about the first season was the revolving door of Chief Engineers.
Blame Roddenberry. He didn’t even want to show Engineering. I don’t get it because people loved Scotty.
That’s crazy to me, the engineers are always my favorite characters
And have inspired so many scientists too.
There’s a (poorly named) documentary called “How William Shatner Invented the Future” which features a bunch of scientists talking about how Star Trek inspired them. Including the inventor of the cell phone.
Er, I find that hard to believe considering Main Engineering was the biggest set they built for the show.
Is there a source for that anywhere?
During the first season of Star Trek The Next Generation, there was never a full-time chief engineering officer for the Enterprise-D. Originally the producers thought that most of the action would take place on the bridge and would rarely go to other areas of the ship, including engineering. The bridge officers would call over the intercom to the other areas and have some voice actor say “Yes sir!” and so forth to save money on new sets. Gene Roddenberry disagreed with this idea and had a change made to the shooting script for the pilot episode “Encounter at Farpoint” to include a scene in engineering; otherwise no engineering set would have been built at all. That set the stage to bring in a new character to act as the chief engineer. Well, it didn’t quite work out as planned at first.
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/chief_engineers_tng.htm
Now I don’t know where they got that from, but that website is generally a reliable source. But I was wrong, it wasn’t Gene.
So why would I blame Roddenberry if Roddenberry is the reason the Engineering set got built?
Your previous comment made it sound like he was against the idea of going to Engineering.
I really liked that! It accurately demonstrates that when you are building a new team, leadership roles are especially challenging to fill. It made it feel like a believable workplace.
“Code of Honor” disagrees
Code of Honor isn’t even the worst episode of season 1.
Justice?
That’s right, so at that point he probably would’ve been more of a Sulu or a Chekov.
So, so, so many gold shirts :(
I guess they didn’t expect comedic actor Brent Spiner to be the emotionless Spock-analogue.
Levar Burton - The New Spock
lol as if Spock would ever get lovesick over a hologram of a person, just to have the real person show up and hate him
I think SNW Spock could manage it
#JustIncelThings-IMeanEngineerThings
“the new Spock”
Fuck off these non-trek ppl.
Studio exec: “Yeah he’s good, and looks the part, but can we do something about those crazy eyes?”
Showrunner: “I already have the prop department working on it.”
This looks and reads like it is from a grocery store gossip rag. Look, I’m sure fans were upset, but I’m old enough to recall the hype for TNG and people were excited AF generally.
It’s crazy to me that Levar Burton was the famous one at the start.
Eh? He still has to be top-3.
“The charm and success were based on the perfect mix of cast!”
Just wait until Riker gets his beard and then you’ll notice TNG has the same thing going on!
Frakes’ hair, wow :-)
This reads like a horrible idea. The new series is doomed to fail!
Difference with every Star Trek that came before and what we have now:
Every first season of Star Trek after TOS was pretty bad. When you have just the first season of a Trek series to go off on then the reaction to something mediocre is pretty normal.
Season 1 TNG had… problems.
Season 1 DS9 is boring as fuck.
But these series got better and earned the respect of the fans with later seasons.
NuTrek has had 17 or so seasons across 5 series and it’s STILL trash! The current executives have chosen quantity over quality and don’t give a damn about improving anything.
Fully agree with you.
TNG, DS9 are heavyweights with countless great (and a number of not so great) episodes. The characters are very likable and example figures in life. The stories were mostly good, loads of great and awesome stories. The cinematography was just nice and calm, the ships were places where people could actually live and looked beautiful. The techno babble was at least rooted in something. It was positive.
What we have now is quite literally opposite of all that. The cinematography is now all quick cuts, weird angles and basically “edgy”. The characters are egocentric and just plain awful, especially in discovery. Ships are no longer places where people would actually live, it’s all dark and broody, swearing is common because reasons and remember that time that in TNG someone said merde? That is the exact same! Now we do visible torture, character histories are cherry pick optional so characters that were on an arc of redemption and show wisdom are now lesbian dual pistol wielding ninja mass murderers… not that I care about anyone’s sexual preferences, seriously don’t, but if a character is one don’t make it another just to tick a checkbox. If you want to have a ship full of transgenders, then by all means do that, just don’t use existing characters for that (except maybe dax?)
And who can be surprised by any of it? All classic trek was always made by people who loved trek and who were with it for long times. Nu trek is made by people who self professed never even eat he’d star trek, don’t really care about it, and prefer to use the show to shoehorn their political views, so we get whatever the hell those things were that they called Klingons but we’re actually trump fans, I sht you not.
Another show came along, called the Orville. It was created by a huge fan of classic trek and it frigging shows. Its a ship where I want to live and work. Lighting is actually normal, wow! It has nice and relatable characters in story lines that actually make you think about morals and ethics… Sounds familiar? It’s an awesome show, though even there season three kinda suffers from the cgi over storyline… It’s sad that a non trek show does trek better than star trek itself now.
Everything after TOS was a mistake. Myself included
