For someone who had nothing to say about Palestine before October 7th, you sure love talking down at others from that high horse.
Do you suppose that there might have been something that happened between then and now that might have made the genocide undeniable to all but a few bad faith actors?
Your comment is history is almost entirety anti Biden rhetoric
I have been massively dissatisfied with his performance, with one notable exception: he exceeded my expectations on student loan forgiveness.
You seem to have no desire to debate in good faith at all, so you should understand that It raises questions as to your motive here.
The accusations began the very first time I said that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
You have not, and will not find a single person here who supports genocide.
At the very least, genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is support for genocide. Yes, I have encountered that right here on lemmy.
Nor will you find anyone that thinks Biden handling of Palestine to be acceptable in any way.
Seen that too. And not just from the deniers. Mostly it takes the form of “every president since the formation of Israel has been complicit, why start having a problem now?” Sometimes it’s “we can’t stop selling Netanyahu weapons because Republicans will call us antisemitic.” Both are defenses of Biden’s actions themselves, and not merely an admonition to vote for Biden on the grounds that Trump is undeniably worse.
Of course Trump is worse, and that’s why I’m voting for Biden. But as long as Biden supports genocide, I’m going to say he should stop doing that.
It’s not so simple to demand that something you don’t like be stopped immediately.
I’m not going to ask for patient incrementalism over the course of decades here.
I’m not really clear why. Biden has ran a competent administration and it’s been like night and day compared to the chaotic horror of the trump admin. Of course, Biden should absolutely be pressured to change policy on Israel. AIPAC is a very powerful force in US politics, however. This is likely to be a close election and talking endless shit about Biden and encouraging people from voting or encouraging them to vote 3rd party absolutely is a gift to Trump. Netanyahu would love for Trump to be elected, as would Putin. It would be a greenlight for them to be even worse in their respective wars. Denigrating Biden and eroding his support will not solve anything for Palestine, and will totally screw Ukraine and Americans.
Quite obviously, I oppose genocide, and the Palestinians have deserved much better for years. Throwing this election over that issue makes absolutely no sense, though.
Of course, Biden should absolutely be pressured to change policy on Israel.
Democrats in general should be pressured to be better on a host of issues. Complaints are seen as evidence of a vast international conspiracy to install Trump.
This is likely to be a close election and talking endless shit about Biden and encouraging people from voting or encouraging them to vote 3rd party absolutely is a gift to Trump.
I’m not encouraging anyone to not vote or to vote third party, and won’t. I do mention that such voters exist and that Biden must appeal to them if he wants to win, because I consider that to be the political reality. Like anything that centrists see as a threat to their slide rightward, that exact phrasing is immediately interpreted as ZOMG RUSSKIE! Demanding silence in the face of genocide is what the bad guys in the documentary do.
Netanyahu would love for Trump to be elected, as would Putin. It would be a greenlight for them to be even worse in their respective wars.
And Biden is doing exactly what all three despots want. Continuing supporting Netanyahu is losing Biden voters. As I keep saying and you lot keep ignoring, I’m voting for Biden. But I can’t and won’t ignore that his positions will cause him to lose if he persists.
Throwing this election over that issue makes absolutely no sense, though.
Then Biden should stop throwing this election over that issue.
Do you suppose that there might have been something that happened between then and now that might have made the genocide undeniable to all but a few bad faith actors?
I have been massively dissatisfied with his performance, with one notable exception: he exceeded my expectations on student loan forgiveness.
The accusations began the very first time I said that Biden should stop supporting genocide.
At the very least, genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is support for genocide. Yes, I have encountered that right here on lemmy.
Seen that too. And not just from the deniers. Mostly it takes the form of “every president since the formation of Israel has been complicit, why start having a problem now?” Sometimes it’s “we can’t stop selling Netanyahu weapons because Republicans will call us antisemitic.” Both are defenses of Biden’s actions themselves, and not merely an admonition to vote for Biden on the grounds that Trump is undeniably worse.
Of course Trump is worse, and that’s why I’m voting for Biden. But as long as Biden supports genocide, I’m going to say he should stop doing that.
I’m not going to ask for patient incrementalism over the course of decades here.
I’m not really clear why. Biden has ran a competent administration and it’s been like night and day compared to the chaotic horror of the trump admin. Of course, Biden should absolutely be pressured to change policy on Israel. AIPAC is a very powerful force in US politics, however. This is likely to be a close election and talking endless shit about Biden and encouraging people from voting or encouraging them to vote 3rd party absolutely is a gift to Trump. Netanyahu would love for Trump to be elected, as would Putin. It would be a greenlight for them to be even worse in their respective wars. Denigrating Biden and eroding his support will not solve anything for Palestine, and will totally screw Ukraine and Americans.
Quite obviously, I oppose genocide, and the Palestinians have deserved much better for years. Throwing this election over that issue makes absolutely no sense, though.
Democrats in general should be pressured to be better on a host of issues. Complaints are seen as evidence of a vast international conspiracy to install Trump.
I’m not encouraging anyone to not vote or to vote third party, and won’t. I do mention that such voters exist and that Biden must appeal to them if he wants to win, because I consider that to be the political reality. Like anything that centrists see as a threat to their slide rightward, that exact phrasing is immediately interpreted as ZOMG RUSSKIE! Demanding silence in the face of genocide is what the bad guys in the documentary do.
And Biden is doing exactly what all three despots want. Continuing supporting Netanyahu is losing Biden voters. As I keep saying and you lot keep ignoring, I’m voting for Biden. But I can’t and won’t ignore that his positions will cause him to lose if he persists.
Then Biden should stop throwing this election over that issue.
Okay buddy.