You’re the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.
The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).
A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system. It’s so obvious that I can’t imagine why it would need to be explained. Have a good leftist candidate, it’ll take votes from the liberal. Popular conservative alt candidate, will take votes from the Republican. With our current roughly 50/50 balance, either one could result in the candidate with less support for their ideology winning. That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.
If EVERYONE who would otherwise vote D voted for them, yes. That’s not going to happen, hence the scenario I gave which you quoted. Split the non-conservative vote between two parties, and the conservatives win - how is that going to help?
Conservative vote is being split by libertarians and RFK, so it’s a great opportunity for the Green party. Notice how the spoiler argument is never used against the libertarians?
I’ve never seen it. It’s only Dems making the argument while ignoring the Libertarian party pulls far more Republican voters than the Green party pulls Democratic voters.
You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”
Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.
So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?
You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”
Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you’re a smart one /s.
Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.
More than you’ve ever achieved in your life.
So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?
I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.
ROFL…. That sure is a lot of assumptions you made in a lot of nonsense filled paragraphs.
I sincerely hope you don’t develop this “movement” of yours with as much ignorance as you’ve presented here in this discussion, because I don’t see many people taking you seriously
The Justice Department is moving to drop charges against two Russian companies that were accused of funding a social media campaign to sway American public opinion during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
ROFL!!! You really should read your own article bud. It says nothing about the troll farm NOT supporting Stein. The charges were dropped for completely unrelated issues.
Also, a case being dropped doesn’t indicate no wrongdoing. I’d urge you to look up how nuance works as a concept and then apply that to everthing to see and hear-
But we both know you’re not going to do that. It’s much easier to make shit up, isn’t it?
So…. You didn’t check to see how many times doing nothing has brought change.
I’m still waiting.
You’re the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.
Hilarious.
The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).
A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system. It’s so obvious that I can’t imagine why it would need to be explained. Have a good leftist candidate, it’ll take votes from the liberal. Popular conservative alt candidate, will take votes from the Republican. With our current roughly 50/50 balance, either one could result in the candidate with less support for their ideology winning. That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.
Yes, we’re working on that unlike the Dems.
Yeah they can, if you vote for them.
RFK not exist?
If EVERYONE who would otherwise vote D voted for them, yes. That’s not going to happen, hence the scenario I gave which you quoted. Split the non-conservative vote between two parties, and the conservatives win - how is that going to help?
Conservative vote is being split by libertarians and RFK, so it’s a great opportunity for the Green party. Notice how the spoiler argument is never used against the libertarians?
It is though. There have been 3rd party conservative spoilers too… it’s just that typically, it’s a Republican plot to fuck over Democrats.
I’ve never seen it. It’s only Dems making the argument while ignoring the Libertarian party pulls far more Republican voters than the Green party pulls Democratic voters.
You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”
Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.
So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?
Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you’re a smart one /s.
More than you’ve ever achieved in your life.
I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.
ROFL…. That sure is a lot of assumptions you made in a lot of nonsense filled paragraphs.
I sincerely hope you don’t develop this “movement” of yours with as much ignorance as you’ve presented here in this discussion, because I don’t see many people taking you seriously
Nice projection. Helps you cope.
Check this out: https://x.com/DrJillStein/status/1794064682745229765
Cool story…
Check this out: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/17/politics/jill-stein-senate-intelligence
your disgusting amp link doesn’t show anything of import.
“Nothing of important?” Did you mean… importance?
And… it shows Jill Stein being propped up by Russian troll farms. Vet culinary to what we have here on lemmy.
Go ahead and get your last word in, I’m done wasting my time in this useless discussion.
https://apnews.com/article/7527e051bd8c4be1beef9d7c37c8290e
LOL
ROFL!!! You really should read your own article bud. It says nothing about the troll farm NOT supporting Stein. The charges were dropped for completely unrelated issues.
Also, a case being dropped doesn’t indicate no wrongdoing. I’d urge you to look up how nuance works as a concept and then apply that to everthing to see and hear-
But we both know you’re not going to do that. It’s much easier to make shit up, isn’t it?