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Donald Trump has been found guilty of using a criminal hush-money scheme to influence the outcome of the 2016 election.
The verdict came after a jury deliberated for less than twelve hours in the unprecedented first criminal trial against a US president. It marks a perilous political moment for Trump, the presumptive nominee for the Republican nomination, whose poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.
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So the Republican nominee is a thirty-four time convicted felon?
I guess I can be president too someday.
Convicted felons can run for office. They just can’t vote in the election.
I desperately want him to lose Florida by one vote. His own.
Florida says he can vote based on the conviction being in NY, and in NY he can vote unless he’s incarcerated.
Which is how it should be in Florida, and everywhere. People shouldn’t continue to be punished after serving their time.
They should be able to vote in jail too. Otherwise an authoritarian could just lock up their political opponents, especially in swing states.
Ah. Bummer. I believe he can only vote in his home state of Florida, but it makes sense that the NY conviction doesn’t restrict his rights in another state. Thanks for the correction.
Here is a better worded article snip from wapo:
Under Florida law, those convicted of crimes in other states cannot vote if they are barred from voting in the state where they committed their offenses, according to the U.S. Vote Foundation. New York law bars felons from voting while they are incarcerated but not when they are on probation or parole, according to the foundation and Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt. Trump has not been sentenced yet and could remain free while he appeals his convictions. That means Trump will probably be allowed to cast a ballot as long as he is not behind bars this fall.
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What about insurrectionists like Donald trump? 🤔🤔
If he’s convicted of aiding in the insurrection, it would be up to SCOTUS to determine eligibility for reelection based on the treason clause of the Constitution. I wouldn’t hold my breath with that bunch.
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Yup you just have to go on TV, act like an asshole constantly, and gain a cult like following from the dumbest Americans imaginable.
Could someone explain how it’s possible for him to be running for president?
Like, are there no laws against this? Is the only requirement for the person to have a pulse?
If felonies prevented people from holding government positions just imagine how many bogus charges would be leveled at the GOP’s enemies just to see if anything stuck. Just look at how Russia throws bogus charges at people to prevent them from running against Putin.
The U.S. Constitution states that the president must:
- Be a natural-born citizen of the United States.
- Be at least 35 years old.
- Have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.
It’s kind of like the scene “there ain’t no rule a dog can’t play basketball” from Air Bud. The constitution has set minimum qualifications to be president, but didn’t bother with the disqualifications because it would be insane to try to conceive of every possible scenario that would disqualify an individual from seeking the presidency.
There are no laws against it, no.
In fact he can be president and in prison at the same time, but he won’t get prison time.
The Constitution does not say anything about a criminal record, so, that’s why. But, be real. If all the politicians had their skeletons out on display, literally none of them would be without a criminal record.
I don’t know who downvoted you but you’re right. It’s not possible to get there clean.
Hahahaha… he can’t even visit Canada now. “Criminally inadmissible”. Great head of state you’re voting for republicans.
Does this constitute a felony not of moral turpitude?
Cause if so, he can’t vote for himself in his home state.
He committed a felony of moral turpitude. He’s permanently inadmissible.
If he can’t vote for himself then he should not be on the ballot
Spoken like a true patriot! Someone get this person an application for office. I don’t care which office, any office, pick an office.
That is way too much common sense not to be in office!
And republicans, the “Law and Order” party, will still vote for this man.
right. Ol’ Joe is where it’s at.
Brand new account made for trolling? Colour me surprised!
I’m sure this will be endlessly delayed by every kind of legal maneuver possible, and I personally don’t expect the sentence to include prison time, but I don’t care. The motherfucker has been found GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS. That’s good enough for me.
They don’t even have to delay endlessly.
They just need to say it’s all rigged against him, take the presidency and pardon himself and his cronies.
His base thinks falsifying records is “smart” and the banks are dumb for falling for it. They still think he’s a stable genius
He can’t pardon himself from a state crime.
Ha, you say that like laws are gonna matter when he takes office.
President can’t pardon state crimes.
Not with that attitude. You need the ‘tear down the rule of law from the foundation up’ attitude that Trump has.
Have you seen the Supreme Court lately?
I trust the tough on crime Republicans will be appalled and change their vote since they’re so against felons being involved in the democratic process–or are those just the darker-skinned ones it applies to?
“Not like that” - Republikkklowns.
They think that the woman he cheated on Melania with and the lawyer who facilitated the transaction, along with all of the documented evidence, means that the global conspiracy to keep Trump down is only getting even more sinister.
Nevermind that he farted himself to sleep during the trial and refused to testify. Those objective facts don’t stand up to the conspiracy theory they’ve created in their echo chamber.
Refusing to testify can be the right move
It’s true, when you’re a compulsive liar and you can’t help yourself from spewing hatred and inciting violence, not testifying in a court of law is definitely the right move.
Nah, they’ve been setting the stage for a year that he’s being railroaded by “crooked joe”. He won’t have lost many votes with his convictions. But some…
This dude is such a sleazy scum. Well done republicans you have picked a winner.
They’re not sending their best. They’re sending rapists, druggies, felons, and racists in a single package.
Wow. That’s a wonderful one. Thank you for the upgrade.
I’m stealing this to make a meme.
This is glorious.
From CNN:
Judge Juan Merchan sets a sentencing hearing for July 11 at 10 a.m. ET
Seems like a long delay, is that typical in a high profile case like this?
He has another trial in Florida they had to schedule around.
Its weird that thats going on again, what happened to the indefinite suspension?
Well, you see, he’s got money and a few like-minded friends…
He has make believe money in the stock market and properties he doesn’t want to sell but apparently no cash.
He did just sell a jet for $10mil+ to raise money to pay legal fees. It turning out that the sale has some possibly illegal parts so now it’s turning into the latest criming on his docket to deal with, though.
He somehow turns every simple interaction into a felony.
Holy shit. It’s crime all the way down with this guy, isn’t it.
Always was. Anyone who lived in the New York/New Jersey area in the 80s or 90s remembers.
The repo man cometh
They requested the delay to July, since he is in court for another case in another area. I suppose it was reasonable to grant it. It’d be unfair for someone to not get their right to a trial, even if they were found guilty of a crime in another area.
It’d make more sense to keep him in custody in the meantime though. I mean, that’s what they do for normal people. Right?
The Bankman-Fried one was even longer.
grab him by the pussy
(Trump’s) poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/nx-s1-4974598/trump-verdict-trial-voters-presidential-election
NPR polling indicates that only a small percentage of Republicans would be affected by a guilty verdict.
11 % of independents said they’d be less likely to vote for Trump.
Small amounts of Republicans would be less likely to vote for Trump with a guilty verdict. I believe that I heard 7% on the radio, but I can’t find a news article to back that up.
I highly doubt any 2024 Republican, let alone 7%, have any actual reservations whatsoever about casting their vote directly for Trump.
Like: I think I can safely say 7% of Republican voters are obligate grifters and liars too for its worth.
(Trump’s) poll numbers have remained unchanged throughout the trial but could tank at any moment.
Bold statement!
That should cost him a few delegates, hopefully.
Hopefully enough to make a difference in the general election in some swing states.
now what
realest question in the thread
Vast amounts of bullshit. From every side.
Edit: are there people out there who don’t think it’ll be a circus? I agree with the verdict 100%, but let’s not kid ourselves. The next few months are going to be ridiculous.
This circus has nothing to do with any party other than the Republican party.
As a circus performer, don’t drag us down to their level. Most of us are hardcore leftists anyways. We tend to be when our community is literally made up of freaks and outcasts.
mollymauk is that you?
I think they’re mostly the root cause, yeah, but this trial is big enough that there’s an enormous ripple effect.
All great people.
Cool!
Very cool, and very legal!
Ice cold
Alright alright alright (read that in Andre 3000’s voice, not Matthew McConaughey’s)
Now I gotta hear some one make that edit
This reminds me of that simpsons episode where Sideshow Bob becomes republican mayor via voter fraud.
Kinda nice to actually see the court and sentencing part happen in real life instead of another dr evil retiring with zero consequences.
So far it’s largely just a historical footnote. Wait until sentencing before you get too excited. I’d wager those consequences you speak of are mostly wishful thinking.
I had to Google this to make sure it was real.
Now is he gonna be like Bannon and ignore sentencing because there are no consequences for doing so?
I’m sure he’ll attend because he’s unlikely to do time anyway.
Six legal experts - including defense lawyers and former prosecutors - told Reuters it was rare for people without criminal histories - like Trump - who are charged solely with falsification of business records to be sentenced to prison time in New York, with punishments such as fines being more common.
But they said such a sentence would not be impossible, and cautioned that it was too early to predict what punishment Trump could face if convicted.
Cohen did time as a first time convict for pretty much the same stuff, only less so, but no, I don’t think Trump will do time.
And yet he’ll still get votes.
Whilst I’ve been waiting for this day for ages, it gives me no pleasure to realise it means very little.
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Another asterisk to add, or at this point one of those other footnote symbols.
We’ll run out of numbers and page room at this rate! We’ll need an encyclopedia worth of books just for the footnotes.
