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Probably
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The European tally line diagonal from top left to bottom right feels wrong.
I usually see it the other way.
Yep, the example in OP seems wrong (for right handed people), it’s very awkward line to pull
Not in my experience. Diagonal down is easy to pull
Maybe it depends on a person or the language they typically write in - and I have to admit I rarely write with pen and paper these days
This is the way
Since when is Brazil not part of South America?
We’re special. 😂 I guess because we are a lot similar to other South American countries, but also very different. For instance, we don’t even speak Spanish.
Every time this gets posted it gets debunked.
Oh? I can confirm it’s true for North America and China, at least.
Is it the middle one that gets debunked?
Brazilian here, some of us do use the middle one
The debunk got debunked
Dedebunked or just bunked
Rebunked?
I dig that one. I’m going to start using it over the N American set
Personally I’ve never seen the middle one but that just my personal experience ofc. What I do myself is the left one with a horizontal line
Edit: forgot to mention I’m from Brazil too
where are you from brasil?
Sao Paulo
bro, how??, how you never saw it??, i’m so confused, my life was a ilusion??
Honestly, it’s the best one. The left system sometimes has users miscounting strikes, with the squares it’s a square or it isn’t.
The right one…
Come on now, guys.
Right one is 100% used in Japan. Particularly at bars and such for keeping track of how many of that drink the person/table has ordered.
French here we use both the middle and the left. It depends on the group of friends.
Debunked how? The middle one is the only one I haven’t encountered in the wild.
I do a modified version of the middle one, common for people like naturalists apparently, which does four dots to form the vertices of a grid, 1-4, four lines to successively complete a square, 5-8, two lines forming an x in the middle of the square, 9-10.
The Asian one makes no sense.
I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the final one is the symbol for “five” and it takes 5 strokes to draw. it’d be like drawing a 5 one segment at a time in an eight segment number display as the tally marks.
You are wrong. This is the character for “correct”. “Five” is similar. Both have five strokes.
五 = five
正 = correct, positive
“Five” 五 has four strokes
Oh, you are right. It’s been a couple of decades since I actually had to write Japanese by hand.
So then why aren’t they using ‘五’ to make the tally marks?
Trends are weird.
Because it actually has four strokes. The “L” in the middle is one stroke
I still don’t like it. It’s not a logical placement of strokes. No I don’t care that the Kanji ultimately means ‘5’.
I don’t like it. It’s aesthetically displeasing with no logic.
It’s only aesthetically displeasing to you because you come from a western background. For someone used to say mandarin it is quite aesthetically pleasing. The final bottom stroke “closes” the set in a satisfying way that is consistent Chinese character stroke order.
Some things are culturally relative. Aesthetics is one of those things.
I use n. American one but find the France/Brazil one makes Sense. The Asian looks aesthetically displaying but not for the train you stated.
I understand that, But they’re still wrong.
The world is a wonderful and diverse place. Looking at your comment history I see some slurs that, to me at least, hint that you are a younger person.
My main advice to have empathy, be accepting and realize that many people live their own lives most of which are very different than yours.
People can learn, change, and live unique and meaningful lives. :)
Oh I’m just spouting off occasionally with hyperbole, rants and un-serious trolling.
Don’t sweat it.
I’m glad. :) And worry not. I do try to make the world a better place where I can, but I understand that I can’t get too invested in every attempt. In this case no sweat was involved. Just empathy.
No logic…unless you use the language it’s written in. You’re only looking at it from your perspective and saying it’s ugly and makes no sense. Because the language, to you makes no sense because you haven’t learned it.
… and they are wrong. It’s imbalanced.
ur wrong
lol okay buddy
Funny how people get so butthurt and rage-filled when it comes to aesthetic opinions.
Are you…referring to yourself? Because that’s not a trend anyone has noticed—but you tend to be exhibiting an outlandish reaction to something you find aesthetically displeasing.
There has to be inconsistent things like in all languages to give comedians material. Just like English-speaking comedians can make jokes about driving on a parkway and parking in a driveway. Chinese comedians have surely made jokes about tally mark 5 vs the symbol for 5.
It’s the character for ‘correct’, which doesn’t really explain much. Best I can figure it’s just that it’s a common character with five strokes in a satisfying right-down-right-down-right order.
It’s simply a 5 stroke character with orthogonal lines: 正
The reason why it’s separate is just that this is the traditional drawing order to write that character.
Thought this was Loss for a second
I downvoted instinctively.
I do the middle one but start with 4 dots, then connect those dots with lines, then do 2 lines crossing in the middle. it gives you 10 in a small space. So in the pictures there it would be 3, 5, 7, 8, 9.
That sounds really efficient.
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Yeah I’ll have a chicken enchirito and a uhhhhh
I just feel like the figure on the right should have each unit be the same length. Why should four be denoted with a shorter length?
3 is also shorter.
True. I was going to give benefit of the doubt and assume that the creator was counting half of one of the segments, of which it overlaps, as part of that unit. Someone mentioned that the diagram is not actually the correct representation of the number five, anyway. Someone in this comment section said that it means, “correct”. They stated that an entirely different figure (not displayed in this post) actually represents 5.
In france I lften see both the middle and left ones.
