Because someone, eventually, is going to make this post anyway, we might as well get it over with. I know someone posted something a week ago, but I feel something a little more neutral would be useful.

There’s a lot of talk on lemmy.world right now about lemmy.ml at an instance level (edit: see here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/20400058). A lot of it is very similar to the discussions we’ve had here before- accusations of ideologically-based censorship, promotion of authoritarian left propaganda, ‘tankie-ism’, etc. The subject of the admin’s, and Lemmy dev’s, political beliefs is back up as a discussion point. The word defederation is getting thrown around, and some of our beloved sh.it.heads are part of the conversation.

What do people think about lemmy.ml? Is there evidence that the instance is managed in such a way that it creates problems for Lemmy users, and/or users of sh.itjust.works specifically? Are they problems that extend to the entire instance or primary user base, or are the examples referenced generally limited to specific communities/moderators/users? Are people here, in short, interested in putting federation to lemmy.ml to a vote?

To our admin team and moderators: What are your experiences with lemmy.ml? Have you run into any specific problems with their userbase, or challenges related to our being federated with them?

Full disclosure: I have very little personal stake in this. I don’t really engage with posts about international events, I don’t share my political beliefs (such as they are) online beyond “Don’t be a shitbag, help your fellow human out when you can”, and have not run into any of the concerns brought up personally. But I’m also not the kind of user who would butt against this stuff often in the first place.

What I will say is that I have not personally witnessed activites like brigading or promotion of really nasty shit from lemmy.ml. I cannot say this about other instances we defederated from before. But again, this may just be a product of how I use Lemmy, and does not account for the experiences of others.

This is just an opportunity for those who do have strong opinions on this topic to say their piece and, more importantly, share their evidence.

If nothing else, given similar conversations a year ago, this will be an interesting account of what sh.itjust.works looks like today (happy belated cake day everybody!)

  • Paragone@sh.itjust.works
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    18 days ago

    I had an account on there.

    Russia invaded Ukraina.

    Russia used their non-nuclear city-massacring weapon their “heavy flame thrower” on a city…

    Russia murdered Mariopol…

    etc…

    Recently there was an election in Russia, & I commented that if what Putin wants is for the war to calm-down for his political-comfort in the election,

    then Ukraina had to MAKE it a political-problem for Putin

    ( obviously, the more politically-problematic it is for Putin, the more likely this stupid waste-of-life will be ended for internal-political reasons ).

    Lemmy.ml banned me for life.

    Kremlin-aligned people are doing what they can to butcher civil-rights throughout the West.

    Lemmy.ml apparently is aligned with the Kremlin.

    I’m not for accommodating true-enemy of our countries.

    Remapping it from sociopolitical-frame to internal-to-one’s-body…

    IF rabies were trying to highjack your biology, would “being nice to the rabies-viruses” help your life?

    Would it increase your lifespan?

    Sometimes one needs to accept that some people really, actually intend that one’s kind be butchered, for their ideology, or some other aspect of their personality/religion.

    Young people are generally much less capable of actually-accepting/actually-believing that others aren’t motivated by wanting to be liked…

    Young people are generally much less capable of accepting that there are many who’d rather see one butchered/destroyed for sake of their factional-supremacism, for sake of their ideology, for sake of their money, for sake of their class-position, whatever…

    Old people sometimes become capable of accepting the evidence.

    It seems to be both life-experience battering it into one AND one’s innate-nature ( if either one is defective for accepting the specific understanding, then it just won’t get in. And I’m saying that as a guy who took about 1/2 century to learn the meaning. )

    Understand that people who push to displace objectivity for sake of their ideology are, on both right & left, working to make-certain that this century gets “settled” through lashing-out with weapons, until factional-supremacism, of whomever “wins”, has vanquished considered-reasoning, objectivity, correctness, sanity, responsibility, accountability, all that are required for civil-rights to be.

    The amount of dogwhistle-programming going on, now even in mainstream left media ( CNN, MSNBC, “progressive” memes are getting infected with it significantly, nowadays )…

    as ClimatePunctuation continues accelerating through the next few decades, it’ll just keep intensifying…

    We NEED to reduce the amount of ideology-instead-of-considered-reasoning.

    They’re not only going the opposite way, they’re pushing that that be The Answer, just as the right are doing.

    shruggeth

    What people do is people’s own business.

    Humankind’s enforcing the 6th Great Extinction, & pretending it isn’t, it’s successfully activated ClimatePunctuation, which is accelerating, & will continue accelerating for decades, before peaking, then slowing-down to the new ClimateEquilibrium ( hot planet ), & … pretending it isn’t…

    non-accountability/non-responsibility/denial/ignoring is going to enforce the extermination of most of humankind, this century…

    The “infection”/highjacking of the US is what happens when corruption is accommodated, right?

    a “post constitutional” US of A, is what they’re working-on enforcing, now, when they take possession of the US…

    Notice, finally, that Leninism, with its “proletariat dictatorship” & Murdochism/Fox with its “populist dictatorship” are actually equally opposed to considered correct reasoning being normal, or owning authority… both oppose correct-education for all, preferring propaganda/brainwashing ( Leninism through “education”, Murdochism through TV & biblical “education” ).

    Accommodate it if you want, or hard-block it if you want.

    I’m not claiming a “vote”.

    it is my opinion that they ought be defederated, hard, absolutely, by all who value civil-rights, just as all who are machiavellian/gaslighting ought be locked-out.

    but I’m not claiming any binding-vote, of any kind, in any community.

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