• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      5 months ago

      It’s this simple. If a single innocent child is between you and your military target, and you kill the child to get to the target, then you’re a villain. Are you as much of a villain as the person you killed? Perhaps not. But are you a villain? Yes.

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        5 months ago

        You are correct, everyone is a villain at that point. The problem with that, as horrible this is, is it incentivizes the action. For the same reason countries don’t negotiate with terrorists. If you prove that committing terrorist acts, or taking hostages, or using children as human shields works, you positively reinforce those acts. Its fucked up beyond belief, and all alternatives need to be exhausted, but at some level someone takes the responsibility for where the lines are drawn for the least damage in the long run.

        Is it actually preferable to just give money to anyone who hijacks a bus load of people, or a plane, or a bank, etc, so that no hostages are possibly injured when that happens? It might be, and could be argued for. Is such acts becoming more frequent or commonplace because it works an acceptable price weight against innocent human life? Again, it very well might be. It’s only money. I am glad I am not the one making those decisions, but we can’t pretend that the calculus doesn’t happen and/or doesn’t matter.

        • MartianRecon@lemmus.org
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          5 months ago

          Yea, bad guys shouldn’t use civilians as human shields.

          That doesn’t give someone else the right to shoot the civilians to kill the bad guys.

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              5 months ago

              Without a doubt. Israel shouldn’t be killing innocent civilians just because the terrorists are hiding in an apartment building, you know?

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                  5 months ago

                  Yes, you’re right. No one is saying they should. Lol.

                  The point, is that Israel is the ‘good guys’ and they shouldn’t bomb innocent people just because they are being used by the bad guys.

        • footoro@sh.itjust.works
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          5 months ago

          Let me quickly condemn Hamas before I step in to tell you that I’m so sick of reading „Hamas uses human shields“. The IDF is quite literally doing the same. Do you condemn the IDF?

          That being said, it seems like an absolute waste of energy to use human shields against Israel, because they do not give a shit about civilians. They even shot their own hostages who were naked, unarmed, writing SOS and speaking Hebrew.

          According to UN officials this could amount once again to war crimes. Do you think it’s Hamas‘ fault that Israel is committing war crimes? That Israel is committing genocide to name the crime of crimes?

    • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      They want innocent people to die, it’s how they get people on their side. They need it for propaganda.

      • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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        Yes, Hamas is shitty and I’ve never seen a single person defend them.

        Their actions do not ever justify the killing of innocent people and civilians. What’s so nasty about this war is the massive numbers of innocent deaths.

        In this operation they saved FOUR people at the literal cost of hundreds of innocent men, women, and children. How can anyone defend this? It’s simply unconscionable.

    • Javi_in_4k@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      This is on the IDF. No one is forcing them to attack so indiscriminately.

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      They have been ready to give all the hostige back if Israel givs theres back and stops commuting genocide. But the declined over 10 times