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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

    • thegreatgarbo@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      Driving to work 110 miles a day meant I had to get gas once per week, driving out of my way, stopping to get gas cost me 500 minutes per year as opposed to the two seconds to plug in at home. Totally a no brainer. I HATED stopping for gas on the way home from work at 11 in the evening, or whatever hour really. I think of people tied to ICE engines the way people were tied to outhouses a hundred years ago.

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      6 months ago

      And then wait an hour to get acceptable charge levels for range. Filling up at a gas station is much faster.

      This is not to say electric vehicles aren’t a good idea, the charge rate and convenience while traveling are issues we need to improve on.

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          6 months ago

          I’m not at home sleeping when I’m out traveling. I’m referring to multi hour or multi day drives. This is an extremely common use case where I live.

          Also not everyone has access to a charger where they sleep.

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        6 months ago

        I hear this complaint a lot about charging times, but for 99.99% of people they are never in a single day going to drive beyond their cars range, meaning even a standard level 1 slow charger over night at home can manage their entire car usage.

        It’s only people doing long distance road trips that have to worry, and that’s by far a minimum. Instead of boosting gas cars for that we could be looking at investing in rail so people don’t have to make the longer trips in a car anyway.

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          6 months ago

          Not only that, people going on those long trips are going to be looking for something to eat in a similar time frame that their EV takes to fully discharge. It takes EVs about 15-20 minutes to get from 0-80% charge. That’s less time than it takes to sit down and eat at a restaurant

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            6 months ago

            This is incredibly short sighted. I usually bring my own food on a long trip because I dislike stopping or buying crappy food. I eat while driving on long road trips because I have a schedule and want to get where I’m going. My gas car gets double the range of an electric car, so I’m stopping less often as well. I’m often in places where getting gas or food isn’t within an hour’s drive, and almost none of those places have the ability to charge a vehicle anyway.

            Look, everyone has different use cases. I think electric cars for the in-city drive around town use case are great, and we should continue to encourage their use. I’m just saying that for wider adoption we’re going to have to solve the charge rate, range, and charger accessibility issues.

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            6 months ago

            EVs generally have adapters that allow you to plug into a standard home outlet, it’s just significantly slower to charge to full due to the lower amperages. And even if you only have 1 plug in your garage, it’s not hard or expensive to add more.

            The only real hurdle for that is if you rent a house and aren’t allowed to make those easy changes

            • aidan@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              And even if you only have 1 plug in your garage, it’s not hard or expensive to add more.

              Yeah this is losing the plot. I believe they’re talking about the tens of millions of Americans who don’t have private garages.

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          6 months ago

          99.99% of people they are never in a single day going to drive beyond their cars range, meaning even a standard level 1 slow charger over night at home can manage their

          You’re saying 1 in 10,000 people will never drive more than ~200 miles in a single day? What country is that statistic for? Source?

          I love the idea of rail, but it doesn’t work in large spread out countries like where I live. Sure cities can be connected, and we should definitely do that, but the idea that I could get to all the natural and wild places I love in this beautiful country by taking mass transit is impossible.

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        6 months ago

        The point is that, for most journeys, you just charge at home overnight. It’s rare to plug in and wait for it to charge. With petrol / gas, you always have to wait

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            6 months ago

            A 120v standard Ac adapter is all you need for overnight charging, and I’m pretty sure those come with the cars.

            • Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              Lv 1 charges are pretty shitty…takes my car about 12 minutes to get a mile-worth of charge on a 120v. I could still make it through a week of commuting doing that, but my range was a little lower each day until the weekend when I didn’t have to commute. That being said, I ponied up for a 220v outlet in the garage, and the Lv 2 charging is much better. Takes about 15 minutes to recharge from a days-worth of driving (usually 30-40 miles between work and running the kids around to all their activities).

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                  I had to get an electrician to come run the 220 line for me because I don’t trust myself with high voltage electrical work. Bought the charger itself on Amazon for around $300. I installed that part myself. Wasn’t too hard, basically jist mounted the converter to the wall and plugged it in.

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            6 months ago

            “when you are empty, and you have to drive right away, its faster to refuel your car with petrol”

            My relatives dont have a charger at home, they just plug their car into an outlet, and get ~40km range over night. That more than enough for the daily commute.

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              Overnight isn’t “right away”. “I have to get to y right away!” “Sure! I’ll just charge the car and you can leave tomorrow!”.

              Listen, I’m not saying that EVs are shit but they are currently not my cup of tea. It’s just all this BS. Of course it’s faster to refuel a car with petrol than to charge a battery. Would you also deny that it’s faster for me to fill up a glass of water than you charging your phone? I ENVY the great fuel economy that EV owners get. This sucks for petrol cars.

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            6 months ago

            Not at home it’s not. Where’s your back garden petrol station lol.

            • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              6 months ago

              I don’t know what to do with you people… We both have 5km range left. You plug in the cable juice and I plug in the gas to refuel. Who leaves the station first?

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                6 months ago

                Charged at home and never needed to stop. Ten mins down the road already. Go shout at clouds old man.

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                  6 months ago

                  So your electric car has more range than a similarly sized gas car? Unlikely.

                  Given both vehicles start at “full”, drive until you have low range left. Now talk about convenience of filling up in the middle of nowhere, or when in a hurry.

                  Is this use case common for everyone? Definitely not, but I run into it a few times a month.

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                    6 months ago

                    So you admit you are talking about edge cases. This is why no-one cares what you think. You are arguing for slower, less efficient, more polluting vehicles just cos it’ll save a few minutes on a long run. Get outta here. Jokes.