Where do you think 40k got it
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Luther was not friendly
At first he was a reformer, he didnt initially intend to create another schism but well the powder was already there and he lit it.
he was a reformer, but he was an angry, shitposting bastard about it.
https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/11/talking-tough-martin-luthers-potty-mouth/
He, and literally every other Catholic, had a right to be angry.
I went to the capuchin crypt in Italy.
Spoiler; had nothing to do with monkeys
I went to a crypt in Britain as a kid, can’t remember where tf it was, but I still remember it because it was super interesting.
It’s where I learned about Trepanning and how they did it back in olden times to “let the bad spirits out” and it actually worked because it reduced swelling around the brain by giving the blood a way out.
We still do that today, just with thr patient under anesthesia so they dont freak out about uaving a hole drilled in their skull.
Yeah that’s what the dude said when he was showing us around, blew my preteen brain.
I recently watched an episode of Hamiltons Pharmacopoeia where this lady was talking about her experience living with the guy that made all the LSD for the south of Britain back in the day. She fell in love with a pigeon.
Anyway this dude was well into trepanning, thought it was a way to increase the brain capacity and expand the mind.
She ended up trepanning herself on film and releasing the footage, yeah they watched it on the episode.
She was a bit of an oddball but swears by it.
Ha, cool.
capucin- prefix comes from the Latin for “hood,” and by synecdoche means “monks” (who wear hoods)
Cafe Cappuccino has the same roots.
This is correct. There’s actually a little plaque that has this explanation on it before you go into the crypt.
It’s this funny little Latin lesson before you descend into a skeleton catacomb and are confronted with the living memory that you, too, are temporary.
synecdoche
I didn’t like that movie.
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Yeah, that one is definitely a sight to see, if you can stand looking at dead people’s bones.
if you can stand looking at dead people’s bones
I much prefer it to looking at alive people’s bones
I’m fine with them. I went through that whole catacomb and then went through the others.
They have a lot of bony vaults and tunnels and catacombs in Italy.
And whatever church has the wooden fragments of Christ’s cross.
I saw those too.
They look like wood fragments.
At one point, there were probably enough cross fragments going around to build a house with.
Did you find any legendary gear?
Nah, just snagged a couple skulls.
Not even common white gear? Man this game SUCKS.
Graphics are good though.
Good graphics, awful gameplay…
They were a dull grayish white.
I don’t know, people seemed pretty freaked out when I was carrying them around.
They’re working on some level
“Hey, who turned out the lights?”
In a helmet, suit and everything, holy shit.
Just watched that episode for the first time and somehow it didn’t even occur to me
I bet it isn’t really Magdalene.
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Chances are, it isn’t. The early Catholic Church did a lot of this kind of thing, where they would claim to have a piece of the cross, or a bone of St Peter in a church. It was just to drive tourism into their churches. If you took all the claimed pieces of the cross and assembled them, it would make far more than one cross.
Not only early, they did such things in medieval times too.
Argh, what was it again. I’ve read about something the catholic church used in switzerland in 14. or 15. century for this.
How much?
The alleged skull of Mary Magdalene.
I like Martin Luther’s polemic about relics: “How many pieces of the true cross are there in the world? How many thorns from Christ’s crown of thorns? How many nails from the crucifixion? There are enough nails to shoe all the horses in Saxony. And if all the relics of the saints were gathered together, there would be enough bones to build a ship and enough wood to boil all the water in the sea.”
In that sense it’s one of Mary Magdalene’s many heads.
That’s a really good quote.
Martin Luther had an extremely finite of fucks to give. Despite not sharing his beliefs, I respect the man for upturning 1500yr of status quo.
IDK their religion allows straight up substitution magic, they turn wine and crackers into pieces of their dead god. Why can’t thorns and pieces of wood turn into the implements that killed him?
She is the hydra.
If you sewed together all the fragments of Jesus’s foreskin, you could go skydiving with it.
“Of the 12 apostles, 18 of them are buried in Spain.”
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exactly where my mind went
You shall make no idols to yourselves; and you shall not set up for yourselves graven images, or a memorial pillar. And you shall not set up any image of stone in your land in order to bow down to it. For I am Jehovah your God.
He went pretty ape shit about the golden cow—as believable any part of that story goes. Catholics seem to be all about idoloc knick-knacks and getting all stabby and controlling over them… Like, the opposite of what a Christian is meant to do.
That’s one of the fundamental disagreements between Catholics and Protestants.
A Catholic would argue that veneration of saints isn’t worship, it’s showing respect for someone who exemplified Christian ideals, or died as a martyr. Canonization is basically the religious version of the Medal of Honor.
A Protestant would argue that the distinction between veneration and worship is arbitrary, and veneration of a saint essentially amounts to idolatry anyway.
As an apostate, I don’t really see a difference, but it feels inconsistent to see people praying to a specific Saint all the time. Are they supposed to be the middle man between you and God? Didn’t Jesus die specifically for that?
Are they supposed to be the middle man between you and God?
Yes
Didn’t Jesus die specifically for that?
Uhh, not exactly. I think catholic god sealed heaven off after Adam and eve did the thing. Jesus came down and died to fix everything and open heaven back up. I assume the waiting room was getting full. He also died for all sins ever, but you are still born with original sin and have to go to confession etc.
Asking saints to intercede is just asking for personal bullshit. Different saints were known for different things, so being experts on those things they would be the best to hand your prayer based on that thing to God.
If I die and find out the universe really works this way, I will renounce all of existence and opt out. I rather an eternity not existing over living in a stupid children’s book universe of weird arbitrary rules about who gets to do what and go where through these systems of hierarchy.
The way it was explained to me, praying to a Saint to speak to God on your behalf is like asking a friend to pray for you. You could just pray to God yourself, but for some reason, having more people pray for you is better.
And here I am over here, an agnostic absurdist, just laughing at the silly monkeys.
Have you read the pincipia discordia?
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I think that’s what a lot of people miss is the trade/political aspect of schism. While I’m sure millions held genuine beliefs, it’s hard to understate the economic reality of the church in those days. Huge land holdings, an ancient web of power and obligations reaching into every life, every transaction, every political appointment. When it became conceivable to break with this system, it was broken. This breaking was Consequential. Hence the centuries of warfare and strife. It’s all about that money honey.
I’m a secular person now but as a formally very religious person I know a bad Bible translation when I see it.
Assuming you a referring to Leviticus 26:1 a better translation from the NIV is:
Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.
Given this I can see how Catholics can justify having statues and art and the like.
In case you don’t like the NIV here is a meta comparison.
Ah, we were taught to avoid the NIV as it was like the Merrium-Webster of translation; a bit more adapted for the modern Pentecost, so obviously it would be lenient compared to traditional translations.
You’re not wrong. NIV is very generic. Lol.
The thing that stands out to me in the translation you have is making idles to yourself. Instead of for yourself. That and using the term Jehovah. Those to me are major pointers to using the NWT, which among the Christian diaspora is seen as less reputable.
But saints are not gods, they are more like emissaries. You pray for them to bring your word to God.
But in the end, religious beliefs don’t make sense anyway, so why bother analyzing contradictions. Faith is based on believing without needing proof, so any logic reasoning against religion fails against that statement.
Sure it is. Let’s just pretend there is no monetary incentive for a region to have a holy relic which brings them a bunch of tourism. Ain’t nothing holy under capitalism.
Every single consecrated Catholic altar contains a relic of a saint. Usually they’re pretty small, maybe a piece of a fingerbone or something. You’re right that a good one like this would bring in lots of pilgrims (tourist dollars,) but it’s a tradition that way predates capitalism.
I’m not in the business of defending the Catholic Church or capitalism, just wanted to clarify.
Socialists don’t see a fundamental difference between a king or church owning the means of production and a merchant/capitalist/whatever owning it, because there isn’t a significant difference. Adam Smith was observing truths on the nature of property ownership and how to increase the gains from such, not describing the idea of rich and powerful people owning property that would make them money by exploiting the value of labor. That idea is as old as agriculture.
Where it might get tricky is if the gains from owning the “relic” were funding welfare programs/charity more than they were funding the excessive lifestyle of the clergy, but that’s not something Catholics are particularly known for living up to, responsible usage of tithes and actually following the precepts of ascetism in the clergy.
Blood for the Blood God!
Skulls for the skull throne…
That Jesus guy sure is a bloodthirsty one.
I’m sure all those bones are legitimate salvage…
If memory serves right most of these are basically a method of clearing out old graves for new bodies. Basically dig up someone who was burried a hundred years ago and stick em in the bonewall. So ethically sourced so long as no one fucks up the paperwork.
Correct. But that’s still fucking morbid.
Hideo Kojima: Hmmm
As someone who grew up in a Muslim country, I have to say, Westerners this is some weird shit man. Like, call the police weird. We are supposed to be the barbarians yet you get to have skull thrones and shit? WTF?
All the Abrahamic religions are death cults. It’s just as morbid as muslim sects that force women to dress head to toe black robes or w/e. The extremism just becomes part of the scenery when you’re around it, but it’s all objectively bizzare.
Like think about it, these religions were literally invented by bronze age goat herds who thought the earth was flat and covered by a dome, and people in the modern day still believe in them. It’s literally group insanity.
It would be like someone who still believes in the greek gods or something.
How to say that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions without saying that you have no idea about Abrahamic religions.
The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC. 1200 Before Christ. Most of the prophets of the Torah are estimated to have lived around 1000 BC up until Jesus was born. Mohammed s.a.s. lived in the 7th century AD.
Also if your argument is that something originating in the bronze age is bad, i recommend you to stop using metal tools, eat bread and cultivated fruits. Obviously no beer and while you are at it reject math, astronomy and most of architecture. All stuff originating in the Bronze Age.
The Abrahamic religions are based on superstious oral traditions that extend into the bronze age. They are a hodge podge of cults and spiritual traditions that got absorbed as tribes genocided eachother over the millenia. Taking over a conquered group’s pantheon is a regular occurrence throughout history, similar to how the Romans took Christianity and adapted it. There are remnants in the torah/old testament of the stitching together of different polytheistic religious narratives that eventually became the Abrahamic traditions.
I don’t really care about technical specifics of when any given era of the Abrahamic religions began, believing in invisible skymen is not the same as a material tool or a mathematical proof. It’s a bunch of bullshit stories people told eachother for why the rain fell or why lightning happened, it belongs in the past, there’s no excuse to still believe it now.
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Religion is heavily intertwined with barbarism. The West/Christian countries have dumped more than their fair share on the world.
The whole point of religion was to keep the psychopaths in control. Sometimes you had to throw them a bone to keep them in line.
ha.
Something I always love to add to these sorts of threads:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Nine_Angles
It expresses the view that the current aeonic civilization is that of the Western world, but it claims that the evolution of this society is threatened by the “Magian/Nazarene” influence of the Judeo-Christian religion, which the Order seeks to combat in order to establish a militaristic new social order, which it calls the “Imperium”. According to Order teachings, this is necessary in order for a galactic civilization to form, in which “Aryan” society will colonise the Milky Way.
It’s beyond heresy.
There’s a lot of fantasy settings id like to live in but Warhammer is not one of them especially anything imperium related
IDK that Taussy be looking real tempting.
Lots of child abuse going on related to O9A, theyre evil fucks
It’s beyond heresy.
Well ok but this ONA has nothing to do with Christianity, they explicitly state it’s a militant Satanic left-hand path occultist network. I mean being Satanic kinda goes hand in hand with heresy.
As with many other occult organisations, the Order shrouds its history in “mystery and legend”, creating a “mythical narrative” for its origins and development. The ONA claims to be the descendant of pre-Christian pagan traditions which survived the Christianisation of Britain and were passed down from the Middle Ages onward in small groups or “temples”
For sure, I totally agree with what you’re saying. I was only using the word in the 40k version where nearly everything is hersasy, not the sensible version of the word youre using.
I want a late 90s RTS portraying galactic battles between the nexions of this lunatics.
Something like dune2000…
I imagine a sci fi version of the London’s police and the INDD (Intergalactic Net of Drug Dealers) should also be added as factions
Make an animatronic out of it.
Insert a 1 euro coin and the skull will sing your favorite hymn.
Make it the meme Skeletor quotes and I’m in.
I hear that’s been an issue of debate in the Vatican since around the 70s and one of the cardinals is very keen on summoning a council to settle it.
I don’t know how the Christians see this and think anything other than “this is some evil shit”.
I don’t know how Christians read the Old Testament and think anything other than “This is some evil shit.”
I don’t know how Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood and don’t think anything other than “I’m in a fucking cannibal cult”.
I don’t know how Mormons drink water and still have the mental gymnastics to think “this is actually blood but I’m totally not in a fucking cannibal cult.”
The book of Job is wild, I remember as a kid thinking this is my god?
I never realized she was an astronaut. They don’t teach you that in Sunday school.
