• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      Believe whatever lie you want. Under all your self-deceit, you know that a better candidate would have beaten Trump.

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        4 months ago

        That I agree with.

        Where we disagree is the impact of Democrats forgoing their right to vote.

        I think, along with political analysts and pundits, that it allows Republicans to win and pushes the next candidate right.

        You disagree, but don’t seem to have a clear argument, reason, or source to support your opinion.

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          You disagree, but don’t seem to have a clear argument, reason, or source to support your opinion.

          You disagree and can’t imagine any other idea having merit, particularly from your left, so you simply ignore what I’m saying or pretend I’m saying something else.

          Voters are humans, and will act like humans. If you want them to vote for you, you have to get them to vote for you. Sitting back and being like “Lavish me with votes, worthless peons, for I am the Lesser Evil” has predictable results. Well, predictable to everyone but centrists who think that’s a winning message because it’s their internal monologue.

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            4 months ago

            That’s what primaries are for. Once we have a candidate, that’s it. It’s either them or the Republican candidate. Biden is incumbent. He’s the candidate. The options are vote for him or accept President Trump. It’s really that simple.

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              4 months ago

              I’m already voting for him. That doesn’t mean I can’t read the writing on the wall.

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                4 months ago

                I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You always debate the same way. This wasn’t a debate about your vote. It was a discussion about what caused previous elections to fail, and why we have centrist Democrat candidates. Your self-centeredness makes it impossible to maintain focus of a discussion outside of your own interest.

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                  4 months ago

                  I’m not trying to convince you of anything. You always debate the same way.

                  As do you. When I’ve made a point you can’t argue against, you start arguing why to vote for Biden, and when I say you’re preaching to the choir, you call me selfish.

                  Biden still needs to convince voters to vote for him, and it doesn’t matter that you think they should just be happy with what you’re happy with.

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                    4 months ago

                    Do you even remember the point of this discussion? I disagreed with another commenter on the reliability of the moderate Democratic vote, citing the sizable abstentions in the 2016 election by progressives. You blamed the candidate. We’re looking at the exact same situation this election. It’s too late for Biden to step down, and he against Trump again.

                    Are you really going to blame the candidate again now that America saw the direct impact of abstention in 2016 giving Trump the win? The repercussions of this election rests completely on the shoulders of voters.