• StrayCatFrump@slrpnk.netEnglish
    42·
    1 year ago

    Yeah. A couple of “timeless” quotes by the propertarian Murray Rothbard:

    One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, “our side,” had captured a crucial word from the enemy…“Libertarians”…had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety.

    We must therefore turn to history for enlightenment; here we find that none of the proclaimed anarchist groups correspond to the libertarian position, that even the best of them have unrealistic and socialistic elements in their doctrines…we find that all of the current anarchists are irrational collectivists…We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical.

    They knew damned well what they were doing. At least Rothbard didn’t fully accept the appropriation of the latter term, even if others from his shitty movement have since then.

    • J Lou@mastodon.socialOP
      12·
      1 year ago

      “This is my proposition: the laborer retains, even after he has received his wages, a natural right of property in the thing which he has produced.”
      -- Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

      Ellerman’s modern version of this analysis was first stated in 1984. Rothbard in 1950 saw the employment contract as vital to private property and swallowed the fundamental myth of capitalism that Ellerman mentions. He would include Ellerman’s position on this matter as collectivist and anti-private-property.

      • StrayCatFrump@slrpnk.net
        32·
        1 year ago

        I’m pretty sure I made obvious in the other comment tree that I’m not interested in your takes, and how defensively not-propertarian you insist you are while advocating for propertarian ideas.

        When I say I’m done interacting with you and then start conversing with somebody else, that’s not an invitation to jump in and continue with me. Fuck off.

        • J Lou@mastodon.socialOP
          02·
          1 year ago

          1. I replied to that comment for anyone reading to provide relevant context to place the ideas presented within the anarchism’s intellectual history.

          2. Capitalist accusations for having a different analysis and critique of capitalism are not productive.

          3. It is a thread I started, so any reply could be interpreted as a reply to me. I was not sure of the etiquette here. I apologize if my commenting did not align with commenting etiquette here.