The ESRB has added:
“To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25.”
Sure, ok…
I don’t know what else to say about this, this will obviously turn into something else.
To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25 dls unlimited coins and diamonds
The same esrb that is almost irrelevant? That esrb?
Step 1: Print a photo of your dad.
Step 2: Hold it up to the camera.
Step 3: Play Resident Evil 7.
Lol too bad facial recognition doesn’t work like that
Except all the times it has.
When there’s only one camera that’s often been the way it has worked
Maybe 5 years ago, but not (usually) any more
So it does, in at least some cases, work like that?
It’s ok to admit being wrong
Yes, it does work like that in some cases. My comment is technically wrong, the best kind of wrong.
As another commenter pointed out, the way they intend to do it sounds absolutely like they are going to do it the old way, which surprises me because the hold up a photo thing has been a solved problem for a while.
TI would be every dollar I’ve ever made that you know absolutely nothing about how it works. You seem like someone who is barely technically proficient and likes to pretend like that means they know how things work.
I’m a software engineer and can confirm that you are absolutely fucking wrong on this one.
I’m a software engineer and I work in machine vision hardware. I may have been lazy with my response, but I do know what I’m talking about. On some level I’m probably in a bubble because I work close enough to the cutting edge of things that I wouldn’t expect any modern company to be employing such basic algorithms to a solved problem.
I’m a software engineer and I can confirm that you are absolutely fucking rude on this one.
From the description, it sounds like you upload a picture, then show a face to a video camera. It’s not like they’re going through FaceID that has anti-spoofing hardware and software. If they’re supporting normal web cams, they can’t check for things like 3d markers
Based on applications that have rolled out for use cases like police identifying suspects, I would hazard a guess that
- It’s not going to work as well as they imply
- It’s going to perform comically badly in a multi-ethnic real world scenario with unfortunate headlines following
- It will be spoofable.
I’m betting this will turn out to be a massive waste of resources, but that never stopped something from being adopted. Even the cops had to be banned by several municipalities because they liked being able to identify and catch suspects, even if it was likely to be the wrong person. In one scenario I read about, researchers had to demonstrate that the software the PD was using identified several prominent local politicians as robbery and murder suspects.
Plaster sculpt, then add fake skin to, and add a small linear actuator for breathing stimulation, small twitch motors under the skin, and run it under some alternating leds to stimulate blood flow coloration. Should defeat almost all facial recognition software. Might need some eye fakes.
Or just wear makeup to an insane degree. Or return to the forests and live a much happier life.
To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone
Does anyone have some bridges for sale? I suddenly feel an urge to buy a bridge.
Because this strategy worked so well for determining individuals’ assigned sex at birth. What could possibly go wrong?
It already has gone wrong.
There’s a story about a gay couple here in Sweden. One of the men lived with his mother.
One morning, around 3-4AM I think, a group of masked men went into his apartment and woke him up violently. They physically abused him, before they took him away.
Eventually he was taken to an interrogation room where he was questioned about a child he had supposedly sexually assaulted.
At some point they showed him pictures of him and this purported child, only said child was his very much adult, twink-ass boyfriend.
He and his boyfriend had shared the images with one another over a chat service, like Kik or something, which some American organisation had gotten their hands on, and then forwarded to Swedish police.
Swedish police then swatted him, and when they stood there with egg on their face the investigation was dropped. No repercussions for the police. None of the people who brutally assaulted the man got any sort of punishment, because he wasn’t able to identify any of them, since they were masked and he shockingly didn’t have X-ray vision, and the police had magically lost all records of who they sent out to bring him in.
Thinking back on this still fills me with rage. I’ve always thought our police were fairly chill and approachable, nothing like the gun toting cowards in the US, but no. It seems like ACAB holds true everywhere.
Saw an app try exactly this. It was run by terfs and they wanted to lock out anyone who wasn’t a cis woman. Instead it labelled almost every black woman a man and many trans women got through the filter anyway.
Well, assigning age at birth worked well so far…
Depends on where you’re from. Koreans count you as one year old when you’re born.
Aren’t they dropping that system soon?
The craziest coincidence, everyone I’ve asked was assigned the same age at birth. Small world.
Can’t figure out if this is for parents that want that enabled or age verification for everyone?
America needs to get over its fear of a national ID system already. A lot of its problems regarding citizenship, voting, sexual consent, medical records, criminal records, banking and gaming can be solved with a national ID system. Pair the ID with a phone number. To access R18 content, you have to type in the ID number and approve a 2FA on the phone. No need for facial recognition.
And you also have a nice database of peoples kinks for the future authoritarion government.
To be clear, I don’t have a solution for the problem itself, but both a central registry of 18+ content use and facial recognition are not the solutions we’re looking for.
There is no problem here that needs to be solved. This does not solve any real problem and only creates more, even worse problems.
Yeah and now we just have our social security numbers (if many states have their way) and Driver licenses being a nice database. Like we need a national ID system (not for 18+ material, just in general) since our current system is utter garbage because it was never designed to be used as identification material. The SSN system was hijacked for tax reasons and many banks and institution followed suit.
@jeena @Chickenstalker What are you talking about? Governments have never shifted into authoritarian structures.
They call them big brothers because they look out for you /s.
The only problems ive had with voting was in states that instituted voting ID.
While I agree with the idea that there is merit to a proper and well designed national id for official uses, I disagree with the idea of attaching it to R18 content. The way I see it, trying to do so inevitably intrudes on people’s privacy in some way (content providers might collect that ID to check against government records, leading to the risk that they improperly store it, for example, or the government might be tempted to police the activities of adults to an unreasonable level, or at least creates the infrastructure to do so if a more restrictive government came into power). Further, it will not and fundamentally cannot stop kids from accessing things deemed inappropriate for them, because kids are curious, and the things one wants to restrict in this way are generally information, which is trivially easy for them to copy and distribute among themselves. I think we need better education, both to children/teenagers (depending on the subject) about those topics we as a society seem averse to the idea of them knowing about, but which they will inevitably learn of anyway (things like sex-ed, or how to deal with drug addiction or its presence among people they might know (and not just in the counterproductive way that things like DARE used to do)), and to parents about how to deal with children becoming curious about or trying to access restricted topics. Beyond that, I think we should generally leave it to parents to parent their children. While it might not be ideal if some kid gets access to a video game rated for adults, it also isnt physically dangerous to them in the way that something like alcohol is, so treating it the same way is overkill at best.
You’re acting like any government, American or no, can handle the security aspects of a national database. Also, what’s the point? Using an ID to play games, to watch porn? That shit is dumb, you can’t nationalize or control the internet in any form, even with ID specifications. It’s just not a realistic goal
Yeah… no.
Finally a use for all those Obama masks
Thanks Obama!
Can anybody actually remember voting for totalitarian control freaks who seem to be scared of people who are not under constant surveillance?
Everyone who votes Republican votes for this.
While true, unfortunately the latest government spy bill is bipartisan. It will make end to end encryption for texts and chat illegal, using drug enforcement as the excuse.
Nearly a quarter of Americans say that a strong leader who doesn’t have to bother with Congress or elections would be “fairly” or “very good” and 18 percent say that “army rule” would be “fairly” or “very good.” More than a quarter of respondents show at least some support for either a “strong leader” or “army rule.”
https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/follow-the-leader
A disturbing minority of human beings unironically prefer being under a boot.
Yo ho ho mother fuckers
Drink verification can.
Any images and data used for this process are never stored
Anyone who believes this deserves it.
Since it determines if you’re over the age of 25, maybe instead they could get a more accurate measure by having you drink a verification beer.
Pay: ESRB facial recognition + Denuvo system monitor + custom launcher with system privileges + game
Pirate: game
This type of stuff only punishes paying customers.
I don’t think the day before your 18th/25th birthday and the day on your 18th birthday your face looks so much different.
this is just another means of spying.
To be perfectly clear: Any images and data used for this process are never stored, used for AI training, used for marketing, or shared with anyone; the only piece of information that is communicated to the company requesting VPC is a “Yes” or “No” determination as to whether the person is over the age of 25.
I’d have a hard time coming up with a better lie than this.
Can people who stop trying to throw tech at things where it clearly doesn’t belong? Seems like every time I turn around people are trying to use AI for things with the expectation that it’s some flawless innovation that can do no wrong.
And that’s not even getting into the privacy nightmare that comes with things like this
