It’s okay, I have it on good authority that after Trump loses the next election that all the dem voters will say that the threat is gone now and will push for the drastic changes needed to stop situations where the choice is between a senile old right wing capital and a senile old far-right wing capitalist.
Or at least that’s what they’ve all been promising, that after this one last Trump time that everyone can finally be critical and demand better. Surely there won’t be another far-right threat to force all leftists to vote for a right winger, and we all know centrists will never vote left, it’s only the left that must change direction.
This hits so close to home as you perfectly captured exactly what I’ve had people tell me here and on reddit three presidential elections in a row. I get that people have short memories, but how do they keep falling for these same lines over and over again while everything burns down around us?
You’re not wrong, also you must consider it’s because of all the people who don’t vote. They would have no clue about any of the choices you are talking about because they didn’t have to make the choice. Can’t forget something you never knew.
I was a super volunteer for both Bernie campaigns and everything that I ever looked at or heard regarding strategy, voting districts, and simple math, all said that the way to win on election is to get just a handful of those non-voters out to the polls, and then our ideas win handedly. I can’t remember the figures, but that second time around we had a million people sign up to volunteer and figured that if all of those people could get three traditional non-voters to the polls and vote for Bernie, we would have handedly won the early primaries, which was the priority that we had literally four years to organize and plan for. We didn’t realize we would win in Iowa but the media was going to declare former CIA asset Pete Buttegieg the winner anyway.
People have a lot of theories about what what stopped Bernie from winning and most of them are at least partly true, because we were up against everything. I remember feeling like every project or team I worked on or with was continually running into walls, mostly media walls, where our messages got spun and flipped against us. And I remember that last run, coming in hot to the primaries with massive fundraising, in February and March, before the other contenders dropped out and backed Biden, and I don’t know wtf Cornell West is up to right now, but at that moment in Bernie’s campaign he said something that has stuck with me: “RFK was shot in June.”
Man, that’s what people who are engaged in the process are up against; most of America has literally no clue about any of this happening. They live their life day to day, a quarter mile at a time, paycheck to paycheck, with zero time for politics, policy, law, and government. The engaged, undecided voter is like a unicorn, I’ve never seen one, and I’m pretty sure they’re only myth. And that’s my rant, thanks for sticking around. See you at the dinner buffet.
Well there is a wide range of experiences and perspectives.
For me personally, while theres a bunch of awful stuff going on, its not like those things didnt exist before. We have been dealing with nationalistic terrorism for at the very least since the end of the Vietnamese War.
I hate to sound all silver lining or whatever, but the reason I’m not worried is that over time, in general, it seems the majority slowly moves forward as fast as they can comfortably do so.
Objectively bad things like violent crime, unequal rights, tribalism, religion to an extent, have all declined consistently over my whole life.
And I will add that the republicans who are saying that their way of life is under attack, it absolutely is. I dont know why people expect these groups to just hear a well argued position and just decide to change their mind.
Its very rare for people to change against their local community without a strong driving factor, and a loud democrat is never going to be that.
And for the record, I dont care about Biden’s problems right now because even he is changing as fast as possible given his own biases and past experiences, and the fact that the democrats lead as a party leads me to being comfortable with the VP taking over if he dies or goes senile.
In fact I’d much rather a senile Biden to any version of Trump. Ive also yet to hear anyone say that the next election cycle is going to be more of the same since. I hear about optimism for our next possible choices.
Jeez. I’m glad I’m not the only one for whom there was something about the above poster that prompted a long-winded response.
I always say, reality leans left. Like, how long do these dummy-o’s think they are going to deny climate change before they die in a flood? How long will they deny vaccine efficacy before they die of measles? They’re going to bend left or reality will snap them off like a reed in the canebrake.¹ I just don’t know where they think they’re going by themselves.
Epic of Gilgamesh: “Yes: the gods took Enkidu’s life. But man’s life is short, at any moment it can be snapped, like a reed in a canebrake. The handsome young man, the lovely young woman—in their prime, death comes and drags them away. Though no one has seen death’s face or heard death’s voice, suddenly, savagely, death destroys us, all of us, old or young. And yet we build houses, make contracts, brothers divide their inheritance, conflicts occur—as though this human life lasted forever. The river rises, flows over its banks and carries us all away, like mayflies floating downstream: they stare at the sun, then all at once there is nothing." That’s where we’re all going, like bugs.
This is such a frustrating response when someone has been warning not to let the drunk conductor drive the train since long before we ever reached these two sets of tracks. Now we’re on them, and the response from some is “Well he got us this far. Might as well let him finish the journey” when it now appears that one set of tracks is a dead end and the other sends us plummeting off a cliff.
No, but it does wake people up to the reality of what is and will continue to happen every election unless we collectively do something about it.
What does gloating and exclaiming “haha, you’re stuck in this situation we’ve caused!” accomplish exactly?
If you let your spouse handle your finances and they keep spending all your bill money on blackjack and hookers, the appropriate response from them isn’t “well the money is already spent. You bringing it up isn’t going to help anything!” when you see the shutoff notices from the water and power companies and confront them about it.
It was always a literal boondoggle.
It existed to give the illusion if doing something to help, it was the equivalent to burning the aid money slowly while starving children watched.
Fuck Biden for doing shit like this and then insisting if he’s not president it has to be trump.
If it’s not Biden, it’ll be Trump. That’s the reality we’re facing
That’s the reality they’ve given us.
It’s okay, I have it on good authority that after Trump loses the next election that all the dem voters will say that the threat is gone now and will push for the drastic changes needed to stop situations where the choice is between a senile old right wing capital and a senile old far-right wing capitalist.
Or at least that’s what they’ve all been promising, that after this one last Trump time that everyone can finally be critical and demand better. Surely there won’t be another far-right threat to force all leftists to vote for a right winger, and we all know centrists will never vote left, it’s only the left that must change direction.
This hits so close to home as you perfectly captured exactly what I’ve had people tell me here and on reddit three presidential elections in a row. I get that people have short memories, but how do they keep falling for these same lines over and over again while everything burns down around us?
You’re not wrong, also you must consider it’s because of all the people who don’t vote. They would have no clue about any of the choices you are talking about because they didn’t have to make the choice. Can’t forget something you never knew.
I was a super volunteer for both Bernie campaigns and everything that I ever looked at or heard regarding strategy, voting districts, and simple math, all said that the way to win on election is to get just a handful of those non-voters out to the polls, and then our ideas win handedly. I can’t remember the figures, but that second time around we had a million people sign up to volunteer and figured that if all of those people could get three traditional non-voters to the polls and vote for Bernie, we would have handedly won the early primaries, which was the priority that we had literally four years to organize and plan for. We didn’t realize we would win in Iowa but the media was going to declare former CIA asset Pete Buttegieg the winner anyway.
People have a lot of theories about what what stopped Bernie from winning and most of them are at least partly true, because we were up against everything. I remember feeling like every project or team I worked on or with was continually running into walls, mostly media walls, where our messages got spun and flipped against us. And I remember that last run, coming in hot to the primaries with massive fundraising, in February and March, before the other contenders dropped out and backed Biden, and I don’t know wtf Cornell West is up to right now, but at that moment in Bernie’s campaign he said something that has stuck with me: “RFK was shot in June.”
Man, that’s what people who are engaged in the process are up against; most of America has literally no clue about any of this happening. They live their life day to day, a quarter mile at a time, paycheck to paycheck, with zero time for politics, policy, law, and government. The engaged, undecided voter is like a unicorn, I’ve never seen one, and I’m pretty sure they’re only myth. And that’s my rant, thanks for sticking around. See you at the dinner buffet.
Well there is a wide range of experiences and perspectives.
For me personally, while theres a bunch of awful stuff going on, its not like those things didnt exist before. We have been dealing with nationalistic terrorism for at the very least since the end of the Vietnamese War.
I hate to sound all silver lining or whatever, but the reason I’m not worried is that over time, in general, it seems the majority slowly moves forward as fast as they can comfortably do so.
Objectively bad things like violent crime, unequal rights, tribalism, religion to an extent, have all declined consistently over my whole life.
And I will add that the republicans who are saying that their way of life is under attack, it absolutely is. I dont know why people expect these groups to just hear a well argued position and just decide to change their mind.
Its very rare for people to change against their local community without a strong driving factor, and a loud democrat is never going to be that.
And for the record, I dont care about Biden’s problems right now because even he is changing as fast as possible given his own biases and past experiences, and the fact that the democrats lead as a party leads me to being comfortable with the VP taking over if he dies or goes senile.
In fact I’d much rather a senile Biden to any version of Trump. Ive also yet to hear anyone say that the next election cycle is going to be more of the same since. I hear about optimism for our next possible choices.
Jeez. I’m glad I’m not the only one for whom there was something about the above poster that prompted a long-winded response.
I always say, reality leans left. Like, how long do these dummy-o’s think they are going to deny climate change before they die in a flood? How long will they deny vaccine efficacy before they die of measles? They’re going to bend left or reality will snap them off like a reed in the canebrake.¹ I just don’t know where they think they’re going by themselves.
Pointing fingers doesn’t get you out of a trolley problem.
This is such a frustrating response when someone has been warning not to let the drunk conductor drive the train since long before we ever reached these two sets of tracks. Now we’re on them, and the response from some is “Well he got us this far. Might as well let him finish the journey” when it now appears that one set of tracks is a dead end and the other sends us plummeting off a cliff.
Reiterating how it sucks and you saw it coming also won’t change that this is the situation.
This is real.
That’s why it’s a trolley problem.
No, but it does wake people up to the reality of what is and will continue to happen every election unless we collectively do something about it.
What does gloating and exclaiming “haha, you’re stuck in this situation we’ve caused!” accomplish exactly?
If you let your spouse handle your finances and they keep spending all your bill money on blackjack and hookers, the appropriate response from them isn’t “well the money is already spent. You bringing it up isn’t going to help anything!” when you see the shutoff notices from the water and power companies and confront them about it.
Who the fuck are you talking to?
Do you think the word “problem” is positive?
Yes, I thought it was clear that was what I was complaining about
It takes a special kind of evil to blatantly facilitate a genocide because you know if you’re held accountable even worse shit gets done.
They’re both pieces of shit.
Yeah well vote for Trump and you’ll see what a genocide actually looks like.